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Sunday Discussion & Great Balls of Fire Live Watch Thread 7/9/17

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Happy Sunday, Nation! Hang with us throughout the day to talk about whatever is on your mind. We are always down for GWWE discussion of course!

And of course, be sure to be here by 7pm ET as we all watch and chat about Great Balls of Fire together!

Also, be sure to check out Brian’s written preview of the big show right here and our Main Event podcast preview right here! See you below!

405 thoughts on “Sunday Discussion & Great Balls of Fire Live Watch Thread 7/9/17”

  1. Sup Nation! The McGinn wedding was a success!

    Heading to he beach today but will be settled in tonight to watch and chat about Great Balls of Fire… what are your picks?

    1. It’s sad that the WWE doesn’t seem interested in taking the big 2 outside of their current comfort zone “vacation spots”. I have no doubt other cities would make very competitive bids. This is especially true for Summerslam…gah! They really need to go the ballpark route and give “winter cities” a chance to host the big shows again. (ahem::Chicago::cough)

    2. Fenway would be terrible for live wrestling and there are not enough hotels, venues for other shows, restaurants, bars, etc. around foxboro for people traveling to Mania.

  4. Picks for GBoF:

    Brock
    Roman
    Alexa (I’m hoping for Bayley heel turn!)
    Wyatt
    Cass
    Miz
    Cesaro & Sheamus
    Neville

    1. Ifs weird to say because the feud is so flat, but the Rollins/Wyatt match is the most interesting to me. Reason being, Wyatt desperately needs a “big match” win, but against Rollins it seems unlikely. Seriously, it’s weird booking!

      1. I’m a big proponent that the best use of Wyatt is picking fights with heroes who suffered devastating losses and have newly rattled confidence. Playing mind games with people it would actually work on.

        Seth’s like the polar opposite of that after slaying HHH. It’s just a mind boggling feud pairing.

  5. Not gonna see GBOF tonight, heading to all-star Sunday, watching the futures game and some celebrity softball action.

    No, Sid will not be playing there tonight.

  6. Doing some watching of really old WWWF (60s-70s) for PTBN GWWE. Anybody have any good youtube channels or other places online for classic matches?

    2. Ive been waiting patiently for those for sure. I really wanted to see the evolution of CM Punk within this brand. He says this time was the most influential for his career. He learned the business inside and out during this time from Paul Heyman.

  9. I swear, I just saw a decent Beautiful Bobby promo. On the

    8-20-88 episode of World Championship Wrestling, Arn and Tully interrupt a Midnight Express promo and Bobby gets in Tully’s face and says he does his talking in the ring and repeats Tully is a piece of trash like three or four times. It was like seeing a unicorn.

    1. I’ve seen none of the TV build, but the video package makes it look impressive. Enzo with the single tear!

  12. Tag team break-ups with fake make-ups are a nice, if obvious touch, and aren’t done much anymore. It’s a good way of stretching the story. Granted, this Enzo/Cass thing has taken place over the span of a single PPV build, but still. Appreciate it when I see it.

  13. Picks for this match? I’m going Neville and with that who do you guys see him facing at Summerslam?

    1. Neville. He probably won’t drop the belt until the Rumble or Wrestlemania.

    2. Neville. And Titus is totally turning, right? Dunno about Summerslam. Who’s really left for him to defend against on the face side?

      1. Maybe they bring up Gargano, since they are obviously going to have to hold off his feud with Ciampa.

          2. He just returned from injury, but given his run so far I don’t think he’s above Tozawa in the pecking order.

  14. Anyone else notice Hogan in that commercial? Is that a new adjustment?

  17. Well, Titus would be completely justified in turning after a loss like that.

  19. 1.75*, terrible offense from Kazawa. It didn’t seem like his offense clicked very well. I did like the firemans carry into a octopus stretch, that was done well. Overall another great performance by King Neville. That stop and show of the belt before the fade was awesomely heel!

  20. Brock showing even an ounce of vulnerability makes Joe look like the baddest fucking man on the planet.

    1. Correct. Aside from Oldberg, he bulldozed through everything and everyone for three years.

      1. Yep, and even the Goldberg stuff was flukey. He legitimately looks sympathetic here. Which I guess is to say, there is still value to having Brock around… provided he does more than the formulaic bullshit.

    2. It’s gotta be a Goldberg Mania style match – maybe 8 minutes? I can’t see them giving Joe enough to sustain a 20 minute match.

      1. I’m going 4 stars on it and if the finish wasn’t shit I’d give it 4.25

  22. Good choice for jerking the curtain. This match needs it, the crowd would be dead at any other position.

  23. Fuck, to a match that nobody gives a flying fuck about. Bray Wyatt vs Seth Rollins, Bray is more like the Eater of Pins

  24. Is there a drinking game for how many times they say Great Balls of Fire tonight?

  26. Bray Wyatt got a real musician entrance at a WrestleMania guys. Hard to imagine

    1. Brian, I’m going a full star higher on my rating. They were able to get good offense in a quick eight minute match. They had different move sets from Raw, and plus the heel got a clean win, that alone is worth the higher rating.

      1. I dont think Bray should be winning anything due to how cold his character has become. He can lose then they can retool him. Regardless, that match was one I was not really looking forward to seeing.

        I expected the Cruiser match to end in a way that could lead to a rematch but they did it in a really ineffective way.

          1. Yeah, I wrote in my preview if he wins its because they are continuing the feud. I was just hoping they had Seth win and move both on to something else because these guys do not appear to have much chemistry.

  32. Wow! Excellent opener. These guys have great chemistry in the ring. Huge win for Wyatt. This match alone has me high on them moving forward.

  36. This match might suck but I still dig the story. Both guys have been good in their roles.

  38. I feel like for a “Grudge” match, Enzo should probably not do the shtick for a night

    2. He seems to be a little more serious than usual while keeping some of his normal Enzo energy. I think it works.

  47. Good sign: Cass is no longer wearing the middle of a plain black T-shirt.

    Bad sign: Enzo’s promos are the only reason anyone ever cared about Cass.

  48. Nice to see “generic big man music #6” finally get some use. Nice touch Enzo’s gear is all of their old shirts

  60. Give it a * but you can build off of it in storyline. Like Enzo said, he keeps getting back up whenever he is knocked down.

  61. This feud COULD end up doing more for Enzo, at least in the short term. His ability to emote can power small cities.

  62. Seeing Dixie on WWE tv is odd, do they pull the Bischoff and make her a GM, with AJ having the look of shock when she comes walking in

    1. Would be great if she was the person communicating with Kurt and Graves.

    2. I picked Cesaro & Sheamus. Its too soon for them to lose and The Hardy’s can lose and possibly come back with the “Broken” stuff.

      1. Yeah but think sheamus taking an loa to film a bad movie with fergies husband

  65. Aww, Sheamus and Cesaro have become BFFs with matching gear since last I saw them!

    1. They should give it 35 and call it 30. King Kong Bundy once won a match in “9 seconds”.

        1. If Atlanta just kept running the ball in the second half then no one would be hearing about it.

  75. This has been decent but more of a psychology story than a work rate story.

  76. Anytime Matt takes a Hard shot to the head I just hope he gets up Broken, Jeff may not need it but I felt like it gave Matt character

  77. The elderly version of the Hardys were probably the wrong team to try this stipulation out with.

  78. Calling them The Hardy “Boyz” connotates that they have energy.

  79. So, Sheamus/Cesaro win this, who exactly do they feud with since you’ve broken up all the other Face tag teams

      1. I could see that, maybe we get a possible club reunion since finns feuding with the drifter who’s been paling around with Sheamus & Cesaro

        1. Apparently they worked as faces against The Revival last week for a match shown on Main Event.

          They can turn them by reuniting The Club and since Balor pinned Cesaro twice recently that can be used in storyline

      1. Yeah me too. I want to see Alexa hold the title a little while longer.

    1. I am doing better then I thought, I am 3-1. I’m sure that’s about to change.

  116. Do you think they have to get clearance to use the MPAA trailer band at the front of Miz’s video?

  117. I really liked that they let Bliss fight back in that post-match stuff. usually the chicken shit heel has to just take it.

  118. Nice to see Mike out of the dog house. Courtney and I’s favorite combo, The Miz and Mayrze. Axel knows how to dress, by the way.

      1. Curtis looks like the guy in your yearly compliance course examples that always makes the shady, dumb decision.

      2. Nope, he’s not borrowing money with that suit. Those are some first class dig so he has on.

  121. Jeff update: hates Miz because of his hair, likes Ambrose.

    Wants to know why Cass isn’t champion because he looks like a beast.

    Loves Sasha.

  125. Hey fellas joined late in the ppv but live now cuz I skipped the opener and most of this IC match. Thought Enzo/Cass forwarded their characters well, loved the tag, and the womens match showed they will likely produce a great SS match. Happy with the finish.

  126. Match was fine. They were put in the death slot and the feud has run its course but they still went out and tried.

    1. They used all the bells and whistles to fight past this has been done to death. Limb selling, Maryse with the rope break, and constant interference. Predictable, but performed pretty well.

      1. Where do they go next with Miz? Balor? RAW is really shallow in terms of babyfaces.

  128. My rankings so far:

    Neville/Tozawa: **3/4
    Rollins/Wyatt: **1/4
    Cass/Enzo: *
    Iron Man Tag: ***
    Sasha/Alexa: ***3/4
    Ambrose/Miz: **1/2

    2. I’m safely at ***3/4 and may re-watch to see with everything (including post match), it could lightly touch ****. Most likely not, felt 3.75 was right on the money but it was damn good with little to ding it with.

    3. Looks like I’m the highest on the Bray/Rollins opener. I’ve got it at 3.25

  129. They had a bunch of moving pieces for the death slot. Just don’t like how Miz is booked for cheap wins. Kid talks his ass off to put himself and the IC belt over and they book him like the Honky Tonk Man. Mike is better than that.

      1. Ducky, Ducky, Ducky, come on, we all know Bret Hart is the best there is, was and ever will be (lol)

    1. I picked Reigns due to Reigns saying he was going to face the winner of Joe/Lesnar at SummerSlam.

    4. Roman. Would like to see Cena and him at SS and a Joe Lesnar rematch. I realize I say that before seeing how they work together

      1. I’m trying to figure out what is the right amount of ambulance matches

        1. So off the top of my head:

          Ambrose/Wyatt
          Shane/Kane
          Ryback/Cena (last fall of 2 out of 3)
          Reigns/Braun

          There’s gotta be more than that right?

  132. Braun wins for a rematch at Summerslam. It’s a bit of a bold prediction.

  133. Reigns needed a foil. Credit to Strowman for giving him his first feud with any real sizzle.

  139. See, why does Cole have to literally scream after that awesome stage wall crash? This ain’t radio brother.

  146. Creative finish. That was picking up until the end but felt it was disjointed at times. I’ll give it ***

      1. Too staged and overproduced. The camera shot of Reigns looking in the side mirror was overkill as well.

        1. Well they had to get Braun out, i figured that’s when they did. But yeah, that camera angle was so overproduced.

  163. Attempted murder is a little too far. Although this opens the door to the first “emergency surgery” match. Or does that exist already?

    1. I mean, where are the police right? We’re using city resources for this jaws of life nonsense, aren’t police called when the fire department is?

        1. Although I laughed because Angle said “Someone call 911” and then you heard someone else say “No don’t”. Guessing they didn’t want the fans calling.

  164. I’m enjoying this. We haven’t had anything attitudey like this in a long time. Feels fresh and different.

  169. They missed the stretcher and dropped him on the concrete : (

  174. The longer this takes the more it makes me think Joe/Lesnar is only going 5 mins, what bs

    1. I’m okay with that if they whole match is a five minute sprint like WM33.

      Much better that than fifteen minutes of German suplexes.

        1. Joe winning the title would be a waste of whatever rub comes from someone finally beating Brock for the title after 3 years of no full timer actually slaying the monster.

          It’d be like taking the one bullet you get and firing it straight up into the air.

          1. How so? It’d make a star out of Joe. The rumors is saying that Roman will beat Brock for the title. Does he need anymore accolades.

          2. Joe’s from the same generation as Cena, Bryan and Batista. With all the young guys they want to build up for the future, the old guy isn’t the best choice.

          4. Roman, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, Jinder, Owens, Sami, etc.

            Anybody with a full career ahead of them.

            Not the guy pushing 40.

      1. And a heel turn for roman? I mean vehicular homicide should make you a heel haha.

    1. I mean, everything up to Braun getting out looked hokey as hell, but he was really beat up. Unless he was in there punching himself in the mouth, i don’t know.

  183. They should have known reigns would steal the ambulance. They made an entire nickolas cage movie about him.

    1. Never understood that feeling. They’ve built up Joe far too much for that to happen.

      1. That hasn’t stopped them from farting on people’s pushes before. This is a dumb company built on moments.

        I’m glad they let Joe get the edge early and built from there. That definitely paid off the build they had going in.

        1. Your first paragraph is true, sadly. It pretty much is what happened to Bayley.

  193. Perfect.

    I’m loving how Lesnar just starts at the last six minutes of a Great Match now.

  196. Grading on the Brock curve, bonus points for breaking out the sidewalk slam in addition to the requisite Germans/F5. Joe worked hard as hell to make it more than a ho-hum Brock match, and succeeded.

  199. Brock is just gonna keep coming back every few months and have epic matches. Sounds good to me.

  200. I only wish they could have came up with a better transition at the end from “i’ve got you nearly choked out” into “I’m fine, here’s a pop-up F5 that you can’t kick out of”.

      1. Well, that’s why it is a “wish”. It’s my vision of what would have made a better match, versus Vince/WE MAKE MOMENTS.

    2. I did like Brock still selling the neck/choke after, Brock was great here – an underrated seller.

  201. I’m tired of Lesnar, I don’t care who they put the belt on, get it off him at summerslam

  206. Non-scientific, non-star ratings:

    Brock-Joe: Good
    Roman-Braun: Good
    Miz-Dean: Fine
    Alexa-Sasha: Great
    Sheasaro-Hardyz: Good
    Enzo-Cass: Fine
    Bray-Rollins: Fine
    Neville-Tozawa: Good

  210. Hey guys, I tuned in for Brock-Joe and it was good, but not as good as I wanted it to be.

    Then, on the encouragement of Steve Wille, I watched the post match stuff with Braun.

    It was really funny and stupid and I think I am supposed to take it seriously but it was so bad, dude.

    OK, see you all for the next Brock match!

  211. Thinking more on the main, there are a lot of things I liked:

    – Joe never appearing scared or intimidated
    – Joe jumping Brock before the bell (complete continuation of the TV build)
    – Brock selling
    – Joe blocking Brock’s knees (the announcers did not note this)

    Dumb things I nitpick on:
    – The entire match is a struggle that looks like a fight until they do the first clutch spot and Brock breaks when he runs Joe into the turnbuckle so his head bounces off and then he does wacky I’m dazed selling.
    – One pop-up F5 (that the announcers say Joe got caught with, even though he was grinding Brock into the ground with his submission. It wasn’t like he let up) does Joe in – a kickout there sends the crowd into a frenzy even though we’ve seen Brock dish multiple ones before.

    1. Also, i maybe liked this more than the Goldberg match when i think deeper on the pieces here (selling, psychology, callbacks, liking Joe more than washed up Goldberg).

    2. And I think finisher spamming in general hurts this, but even if you center it on Brock matches you can see how this has been watered down like the F-5 of late.

      1. and, this is a rehash of something on twitter Chad and I talked through, my complaint is less on it taking one as it is the transition/pop-up. Have no issue trying to bring back the strength of that move – BUT Brock is really responsible for this, not just a wrestling-wide thing.

      2. I meant AA here – tried to compare F-5 to AA in a spectacularly poor manner.

  212. Dug tonight’s PPV. Loved what Brock & Joe did, just a big fight throwing big shots at each other. I don’t think it’s a one and done. Also dug the Ambulance Match and the aftermath. I think we get the 4 way for Summerslam wiith Brock/Roman/Joe/Braun. The Ironman and Womens Matches were very good too.

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