Happy Sunday everyone! We are just two weeks from SummerSlam so we can chat some wrestling or even baseball, football, movies, comics, whatever is on your mind.
Also, tonight at approximately 8:45pm ET we are going to live watch SummerSlam 1997 as a group so be sure to join us for a fun night of banter. See you there!
The 8/11/14 Raw is on the stream. Hulk Hogan’s giant birthday celebration is ongoing as I type this…
Pretty solid Randy Orton vs. Sheamus match was right before it.
How does Sheamus rank on your GWWE 100. He’s surprisingly high for me.
I anticipate he will check in the 60-80 range off the top of my head. He has some really good high level matches and moments,
Its amazing how long he’s been around… Feels like it hasn’t been that long and at the same time it feels like its been forever.
2009 right?
08, I think.
I feel that way about quite a few modern wrestlers. I think it stems from WWE becoming so homogenized the last few years. It’s like the time does hold as much weight because there aren’t a lot of huge moments/angles compared to the amount of content they put out. Guys are kind of just floating around going through the motions, and before you know it, they’ve been around for like five years.
He’s probably in the back half for me, but not right at the end. A bunch of title runs fell flat, not to mention all of the League of Nations mishegas, but he has way too many good matches not to merit consideration. He’s good in singles or teams, heel or face–the initial face turn against Mark Henry was great stuff.
Him murdering people in ECW was good too. And I thought he and Rusev were the most fun part of the LoN, the matches with Reigns were good.
Now that ECW’s up on the Network, I have to go find some of his stuff with Goldust. I remember it getting raves at the time.
Yes for sure, from tweets and posts I have seen a lot of it apparently still holds up.
That was the same day Robin Williams died. He’s my all timer and I remember i didn’t give a flying fuck about Raw that night, i was so despondent.
2014 Paul Orndorff entering in his robe with his WCW theme is pretty great.
And here comes Piper and I just got really sad.
This is actually a pretty fun segment, they did a nice job… AND HERE COMES THE PAIN!
“Party’s over, grandpa!”
The Raw just ended and next on the stream is the go home SmackDown followed by SS14 itself. Cool programming today, well done.
Mariners traded for Yonder Alonso.
Currently on the June Hour of Power in my effort to catch up on Chikara. Solo Darling & Travis Huckabee vs. Cajun crawdad & Hermit Crab is a good little match…Travis being an expert grappler but still inexperienced in terms of accidentally distracting the ref is a pretty subtle character note.
The Xyberhawx sure are popular with the kids in the audience.
Wani vs. Silverhawk was also worthwhile. Two good matches is pretty darn good for an Hour of Power–no Petey the Package in sight.
On to Hide now. Kenbai from Michinoku Pro is debuting here in the opening match…he’s not one of the five Japanese wrestlers I know of, anyone more knowledgeable have a fervent opinion?
Quack comparing Cornelius Crummels to Bruiser Brody seems like a stretch.
SILVER ANT NOOOOOOOOO 🙁 🙁 🙁
Silver Ant is showing tons of fighting spirit against Frightmare here.
WOW. WOW. :'( :'(
Chuck Taylor TM just name-dropped Beyonce while standing next to two mint chocolate chip ice creams. Your argument is invalid.
This is where I’m at in my watching. Hooray!
ooh, child!
Scott Holladay was doing the interviews instead of dear Toni on the HOP. The interviews were just as awkward, but he didn’t throw it back to Vlad. Vlad seemed confused every time.
Down vote
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/894250384084041728
$10 million plus incentives for Cutler.
It is worth a shot for them, he will be familiar with the Gase offense.
This tells me that the Tannehill injury isn’t good. Have they said officially how long he is out for?
No but he must be done for the year. No way they give $10M to Cutler to maybe start. If he was only going to miss some time they would just start Moore and stay conservative.
Nunez is ripping the cover off of the ball for the Sox. Another HR for him.
I try my best.
Dodgers going 43-7 over 50 games is fucking absurd.
“Cena is currently set to make a move to Monday Night RAW very soon, and according to PWInsider, that move will happen post-SummerSlam. “The Leader Of The Cenation” is being advertised for all episodes of Monday Night RAW (except for one) after “The Biggest Part Of The Summer,” leading up to the No Mercy pay-per-view (PPV) where he is also advertised to be competing. Cena will be missing the September 18th episode or RAW as he is currently advertised to appear at a SmackDown event in China instead.
Currently, it is expected Cena will be working with “Mr. Money In The Bank” Baron Corbin at SummerSlam before he heads off to Monday nights to begin a new feud with an unknown foe.”
Missed my 8/4 posting, but it’s fine because I didn’t watch anything yesterday.
8/4/17 Watch list:
7/21/17 NJPW Climax Night 3
Bad Luck Fale vs. Tabahashi
Naito vs. YOSHI-HASHI
About time Ellsbury did something.
Earned his paycheck for another week.
Dominick Guerrero-Mysterio was on this week’s Lucha Underground, and GOOD GRAVY did that kid get big.
I’m hopelessly behind on that. Only saw the mid-season premiere. Guerrero-Mysterio LOL
Currently without power so I’ll be late to the live watch but I’ll chime in anyway!
Veep is so great! Every episode I have a different favorite character.
How far in are you?
Finishing season 2 right now. When Selena walked through the plate glass window.
Oh god you have so much awesome ahead of you
My favorite show on TV right now. It’s the best.
Just got the kid to bed. Now microwaving leftover pizza from an earlier birthday party. Let’s do this, dad style.
We are taking the kids for a ride to fall asleep while we have no power… you guys keep this thing going and I’ll be in as soon as I can!
5 minutes, guys!
I’m paused on the flag on the big screen
3 minutes!!
I’m all set, paused on the flag. Just say the word. 🙂
And the power came on right as we were about to leave!
Paused and ready, captain.
And go…
LIVE from the Meadowlands Arena
To this day, no one fills out a tux quite like Vince
The first show here since Summerslam ’89 on TV or PPV, correct?
Yes.
Once you guys have a quorum just get rolling, I’ll be a few late now with the power outage fallout!
I remember the Bret and Shawn stuff was hot talk on AOL every day
You can see how WWF was already pushing HBK as the top heel and Bret is second runner up in the opening video.
Oh man, the OG SummerSlam logo. I thought they had stopped using it by now.
That might be a top 20 in opening video packages.
The Meadowlands is one of those buildings that when you get the crowd wide shot, it looks like 50,000 people
A great building for PPVs in my opinion,
I wish we could go back to the more simpler sets and the more unique looking sets for each show. I know in the HD world we won’t, but it was more special then.
Such a rare thing: A Steel Cage Match opening a show.
Canadian Stampede is still the best secondary show ever
Surprised the undercard cage opener isn’t done more. So convenient.
Mankind kissing the cage. Such a little thing that makes the gimmick seem special. You know it’s his kinda match.
Did you all order this live? I was fully invested in Monday nights at the time and kind of stopped spending money on PPVs, so I ended up just renting it a few months later.
Ordered it and watched with friends
Yes, I did order it. Summerslam was one of those PPVs that I always had to order. It was like the last big thing I did before school started back up.
I watched it live via an illegal black box at my buddy’s house!
I’ve went to two Summerslams. 93 and 96
Killer. I love 93, regardless of the shitty ending. I was fully invested with every angle at the time.
3rd row and paid $22 for my ticket.
I went to 15 and 16 and that’s it for SS.
Which did you enjoy better?
96 was more fun because a friend did the loop. House show in Detroit Friday, Summerslam on Sunday, Raw in Wheeling WVA and Tuesday in Columbus Ohio Tuesday for a 65 match Superstars taping
Wow that is fucking tremendous.
It was a great road trip. In Coliumbis we had a terrible seats. A WWF official came to our section and asked if we wanted seat upgrades. There was a catch. Here is Godwin tshirt and pig nose to sit in the pig pen section. We said…. sure
Lol great story.
I’ve always been a fan of watching Hunter sell.
Agreed. The dude is a great performer.
Top of the cage suplex spot is always great. The Hogan/Bossman special
I wonder how many of these big blue bar style steel cages WWF had at the time?
Also notice the last vestiges of the goofy off axis box company logo.
Man, these guys are beating the piss out of each other. Cage matches are better with a little color, but these two didn’t need it here.
Yeah one of the few that wasn’t hurt by it at all.
Christ, the backdrop on the cage. Mick’s poor kidneys.
That door slam looked even sicker today than it did back in 1997.
Brutal shot. I have always loved this match.
This is a better opener than I remember. The crowd is all in.
Mick was just about to break out big here, you could feel the swell building big time.
I may be alone in this. I loved 1997 Dude Love.
Dude Love was tremendous in 97 and 98, great character that only Mick could have pulled off.
I totally dug the whole “3 faces of Foley” thing. I was never a big Mankind fan, so it was cool seeing the whole thing shaken up.
I voted for SS 2011 because I was there, but this was a great pick. Summer of ’97, wrestling was simply great.
Best time ever to be a fan, especially in your teens. Such excitement after a few years of dormancy.
Think she got to keep that belt?
Probably, think she’d sell it?! Haha!
I wonder of this is the first championship belt given away to a public figure
Today they could never find a belt big enough for Chris Christie
They should bring back the hardcore title for Christie, just so someone can immediately hit him with a trash can and powerbomb him through a table.
I never get tired of hearing JR ramble on about the Bengals during a Pillman match.
Time stamp?
39min on the roku
OK thanks got it fired up now
Want to interrupt this Live Watch for some breaking news:
Dan Connor lives in the Roseanne reunion.
Carry on.
Still so sad watching Pillman in these final two months…
The evolution of Brian Pillman from his early WCW days to this crazy Pillman is amazing
Brilliant, even.
20k+ in 1997? Is that a work? Man, that’s crazy.
I guess it was the first show there in forever so makes sense.
Was a well built card too.
1997 WWF was getting hot starting after Wrestlemania 13, makes sense that around Summerslam the attendance figures would catch up.
Strong live attendance for this one given the time period.
Miss the days of Karate Fighters and Stridex as PPV sponsors
I bought an unopened box of Karate Fighters at a local antique store ($15!) this past Xmas as a gift to my brother. He popped big time. We played a few rounds and before long, the whole family was throwing down challenges.
Funny a grown man brining LOD action figures to a show
I’m surprised there aren’t more signs in the crowd. Going to WWF events like Raw was annoying with 10,000 signs in the crowd
Yeah that explodes like right after WM14 pretty much… summer of 98 is when I remember it getting insane.
Henry O was one big motherfucker. I always forget that.
Thick AF
I always enjoyed this feud… hard hitting and rugged, helped establish the Godwinns as heels.
I wasn’t really into this LOD run at the time, but man, they could still go. This is a really entertaining match.
Yep, I am unabashedly biased about this time period but I think this is legit rock solid.
Shanghai Pearce and Tex Slazenger did pretty well for themselves in the WWF
How long has Mike Chioda been refereeing? That dude’s been around forever. One of my favorites.
I think since like 1988 or so, right? I know he was a ring attendant at first.
He was a ring attendant at first. I would imagine he worked house shows as a referee before being brought up to TV. I heard he’s a really nice guy.
Wikipedia says since 1989 he was employed by the WWE
Yeah it may have been early 90s when he started as a ref.
Wikipedia has Joey Marella as the one who trained him
Vintage Vault “favorite” Lou Albano at the PPV
Sigh. Slob.
Joining a bit late – The cage match might be one of my favorite Triple H matches of all time
Hey Tim!
Loved this PPV as a kid, but I remember the middle being a bit blah – but this LOD is way better than i remember
One of my all time fave shows for sure.
No way was Henry taking the doomsday device.
Ha yeah he was one and done there. He is lucky that didn’t go worse.
Can I get a time stamp of around where you guys are at
I got 58 minutes on my ROKU
Awesome thanks guys
Hey Sean! 58 min.
We are on the Discovery Zone giveaway segment.
I can’t believe I forgot that LOD used the Spike Piledriver as a finish here.
That kid is at chest level with Sable…. lucky bastard
Someone search for this kid on Facebook and get him in here
This kid is from my area, Liverpool, NY.
I don’t know if I’m happy or sad they don’t do shit like this anymore.
Was the million dollar giveaway in 08 the last big thing they did
Yeesh…I’m glad now. This is painful.
I would not go with gym shorts when I was 13 standing next to sunny and sable
Lol, awakening time for that kid.
God damn Sunny.
This is about it for Todd too… he is gone by the fall.
I actually miss Todd. I enjoyed his antics.
Totally. Todd ruled.
His in your house countdown shows were the best, always had a good selection of snacks
Exactly what popped into my head.
Yeah I think he catches too much shit historically.
Is Cole already in wwf by now?
Yes I believe so. I know they crossed paths because Todd joked once that “this guy looks like me”.
This is hilarious.
This shit never goes well.
The million dollar giveaway a few years ago went about the same way
Surprised they didn’t go with key 69
People paid money to watch this!!!
Bulldog fucking destroyed Shamrock with this chair. He did the same to Foley over the summer too.
Shamrock took a lot of unprotected chair shots to the head, then again I guess everyone was during this time
Shamrock took WAY too many of those face chair shots.
I met Shamrock at UFC 15…surprisingly short, but build like a brick shithouse.
Since I just joined in just wanted to say I miss when the aisles weren’t just straight I know with the big screen they won’t ever change
Yeah it really added a unique slant to each show and arena
Always liked summerslam 89 aisle in this building
Agreed, I was saying earlier at the start, I miss the unique entrance ways for these PPVs. Today everything is the same.
I always wondered why WWF never showed those UK PPVs on PPV the next day/night. I know eventually we got them on VHS/DVD, but UK always got our PPVs. Seemed odd to me.
I guess just a special deal with those U.K. companies? Not sure.
That’s a better explanation than I ever came up with!
Could be finding cable companies to air yet another wrestling PPV in a month
They made so much bank on WWF shows, even when they weren’t doing great numbers, making that much money, they’d make room.
Big ECW fan turnout in the first few rows…hat guy and such…
Nice… local to Philly and an increasingly hot product.
I feel old just thinking that British Bulldogs were tag champs 30 years ago and Daveyboy Smith was IC champ 25 years ago
We are old as shit for sure.
Older.
1997 Bulldog was so much fun, wrestled with such an aggressive mean streak.
Wish he stayed after Montreal
He was likely doomed for an early death at some point but not going to WCW probably extends his life for a bit I would think.
Cool rear naked choke spot… Bulldog selling like death.
There’s pat Patterson, boy did he get fat.
Shamrock dropped him pretty good.
Post match Shamrock never failed to entertain.
Shamrock is underrated in this era. What a nut.
It was all so believable too. So fucking unhinged.
Damn Shawn looks young here.
Pre lazy cross eye.
The Harris Brothers deserve a lot of credit of being in the right place and right time and getting jobs
Kevin Kelly’s favorite feud: The Gang Warz.
Ahhh, the Gang Warz! (Yes, spelled with a “z”)
That was a nice gentle powerbomb
Last week I became an honorary member of the NOD by Ron Simmons and D lo Brown at a local comic con
Tremendous.
You are already a better member then Savio was
TITO SANTANA!! Yes!
ARRRRIIIIIIBA!
This match is no great shakes but the Ground Zero three way is fucking dog shit.
This match actually had some big shots in it and the crowd went crazy for Ahmed’s power bomb – besides that pretty Blah but at least gives people in the mid-card something to feud about
Miguel Perez was good… he was wasted in this nonsense.
Ahmed was fucking scary in this role… jacked up and looking fuck shit up.
The choker was a bit much tho…
Why did they abort it so fast? Just wasn’t working?
He gets hurt here and killed any momentum.
Missing out on the taker match at stampede hurt as well but that sums up his whole career
Then Rock joined and that was that.
I started watching some old SMW. If you want to see peak Brian Lee, SMW is where it’s at
Touch the sky! Boricuas win!
I love that Ahmed had the balls to refuse to job to Kane after spending a year getting injured every three weeks.
I hate watching this match knowing what happens to Austin
Yeah for sure but fuck it is so great until the end.
There’s Cole kids.
Cole has lifetime employee written all over him
It’s crazy to think he has been with them nonstop for 20 years
Yeah he has never really taken time off, huh?
I can see why he wants to transition to a more less behind the scenes role
Owen just “got it.” For a guy who got into the family business to really just make a decent living…he “got it.”
Spoiler Alert – but does anyone know how this match was going to end?
I’m guessing stunner but never officially saw.
Forgot who wins, but I doubt Austin kisses his ass.
Molton hot for Austin
Owen should have used that top rope elbow more often, he nailed it.
Great bridging German too.
Owen was just great at everything really curious to see where he ends up on everyone’s list
Spoiler: He’s in my top 20
Ha! Nice.
Don’t have my official list but there’s no way he’s not in my top 20
Interesting – I was about to say he wasn’t in long, but was a big mid-carder from 94 – 99, crazy as that’s as long as guys like Million Man
And tack on 1988-89 and 92-94 in low mid card role with good matches mixed in too.
Really good match with him and Barry on the December ’88 LA show they just put up.
Darren Daulton passed away today.
Brain cancer, right?
Yep.
Last week Dykstra said he visited him and wouldn’t make it much longer.
Bummer had some good years with the phillies and won a ring with the marlins
Always reminded me of jake Taylor from major league
Man I always forget he hung around and was on that 97 team.
Blah, still rough to watch that piledriver and Owen just be completely lost after it. The finish is brutal.
Owen tried to do what he could, but damn that was tough situation.
Weird that Vince doesn’t sound too worried – also can’t believe they showed the pin again
I don’t think they realized how bad it was until later.
True – the pin fall is just so weird, I really can’t think of another time where you go – that didn’t look right {in a non-botched
way – talking to you IRS/Mable KOTR 94}
Right… it was clear at the time something was all fucked up. Even as someone only like 35% in the know it was clear it wasn’t right.
What merch were you guys wearing at this time in ’97? I never did get any Austin gear.
I wore the shit out of my Austin 3:16 shirt
No shame!
It was the cool wrestling shirt to wear at the time.
Three shirts that will always be ok to wear anytime: purple Savage, Hot Rod and Austin 3:16
Honestly I don’t think I had anything really. I got the DX shirt in summer of 98 but don’t remember anything really before it since 93sh.
Yeah, I was in high school, so no way my dorky ass was wearing wrestling merch around the ladies. Still though…I don’t remember getting much around this time.
I was entering my senior year and my girlfriend at the time HATED the Austin shirt.
Undertaker shirt, and my nWo and Sting shirt I picked up in Philly at a house show that summer.
First nWo shirt I bought was the red woldpack
Austin 3:16 then at mania 14 got a scu shirt class of 3:16 wore that more than my regular Austin 3:16
I had an Austin 3:16, nWo and my ECW shirt
October of ’97, I went to my first ECW show. Bought four shirts that night: Sandman Budweiser, a black Taz one, ECF’NW and Tommy’s Innovator of Violence
All solid choices.
I didn’t know it at the time , but there were two smoke shows running the merch stand. Ended up being Justin Credible and Sabu’s wives
Shawn is amazing heat magnet from his July return right through the Rumble.
I forgot about the whole “Canadian National Anthem” deal at this time, pretty awesome
Fucking Meatloaf sitting behind JR.
VLAD!
This show moved along real quick. Main event time already.
Yeah it flies… this all takes a while though.
Great Match – has that big match feel and build up
I never wanted to cut out pictures from my wwf magazine to make a sign
What a waste.
I did for Rumble 94… I still have the sign lol.
Although I think I cut them from old programs or dupe magazines.
Nice! I wish I still had the goofy shit I made for house shoes. Have you ever posted it?
Can’t remember but I can try to dig it out soon and post a pic.
Behind your bar. lol Saw it there St. Mary’s weekend
Ha, easy enough then!
That famous Undertaker entrance. No matter what period of time, besides the very early years, an amazing site to see.
I agree. Untouchable. Always made a show special.
It is a bit sad Taker’s reign kind of ends to fuel Bret vs. Shawn but he did get a pretty strong run here.
But it also ignites that amazing HBK vs Taker feud.
Very true… it was a bit jarring when Shawn suddenly went full heel again but ends up being so awesome.
His PPV title matches were shit which wasn’t fair because there wasn’t any good heels around that weren’t in factions. He really doesn’t get a GREAT Title run until 2002.
I disagree… his matches with Mankind and Austin were both very good and the Vader one is great. His only real bad one was Faarooq.
And this match is pretty good, with an angle at the end to spark the rest of the WWF year here.
The Mankind one was average, I forgot about the Austin one yes that was good. Faarooq was shit & Vader wasn’t too bad. Ok I was a bit harsh.
You need to rewatch the Vader one, it is much better than not too bad.
I’m sure our rewatches will get us there in 2 years LOL
Vince hadn’t put the kibosh on saying hospital yet. Pre – “medical facility” here.
Vince, King and JR is a strong team throughout 97
Vince as Tony, JR as Tenay and King as Bobby/Larry. Awesome trio.
Just thinking of this now, but have you ever asked Kevin K, if they ever thought of giving the heal JR gimmick to a different announcer? To me it just doesn’t feel nature whereas maybe someone else might have made it work?
Interesting question… I don’t recall him ever discussing it but maybe he did in the early 99 one?
Yeah, because i thought they were pretty good in 1996 too, just the heel JR didn’t work – sort of like 1990 Piper where he couldn’t keep the character straight
I think Bret has said that he felt like taker and hbk overshadowed him being champ these next few months (which is true) while he feuded with the patriot but looking back who else could you have Bret go against.
100% true, he is totally marginalized. Maybe he could have feuded with Vader more strongly?
Shamrock maybe?
Yeah I was just thinking him.
Well of course Shawn had to be heel while Bret was a heel. That wasn’t an accident. I mostly agree with Bret on that assessment.
That’s true but sort of feel like Bret/Austin Angle (and the anti-american) was just as big as Shawn or Takers title matches since Survivor Series
JR’s disdain for Paul Bearer was always great.
Ohhhh YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This match definitely had the feel of “Attitude before Attitude”. Constant brawling outside with no counts going on and endless brawling with no sense of organization.
Seeing Pillman just makes me sad. Untapped potential.
There were a lot of rumors at the time that Kane would be debuting here.
Yup.
I went to a house show two weeks after this and there was a big rumor that Kane was debuting there to give it a test run.
Smart they didn’t, it would have wrecked all the Shawn stuff. Unless they weren’t planning that and were flat going with Shawn/Bret out of this.
Didn’t Bruce Prichard say on his podcast that the drawings for the Kane gimmick were approved around this weekend? The timing fits if they could have gotten it developed that quickly.
Sounds right.
They started teasing it on TV in like May/June right? Long build to that reveal.
I really enjoyed Shawn’s officiating here. He calls a good match throughout. Instead of doing the I’ll stand over here until it’s my angle time.
Right, agreed, one of the best special refs ever for sure and this was a peak performance.
You guys wanna plan on another SummerSlam next Sunday as well? We can run another poll.
I will be in St. Thomas so I’m out for next week.
Yes!
I have some good ideas for picks.
I figure we can do loose live watches on Friday nights and official on non PPV Sundays.
I’m in, this has been really fun. Love watching older stuff again and with a bunch of fans that love it too.
Yeah they are always fun to do for sure.
I’d be in – i’m on central time zone, so i’ll usually need to jump on a little later though after i get the baby to bed {only baby in the world that hates sleep goes to bed at 9pm}
I hear ya Tim, that’s why I’m usually a little late to these all depends on my daughter going to sleep.
Oh man…mine was like that Tim he first 2 years. I’m central as well, so jumping in later might be a thing.
Scott and I are working on nominations now
I’m in. This was fun.
Sure, I have some good ideas for picks.
Was that legit the first time the Sharpshooter got completely broken?
I think so, but that’s still an awesome ending.
Remember, a thread will be up tomorrow asking for feedback for PTBP… we will be recording the Big Event and will read the feedback on air.
When this all happened I totally thought the rumors of Shawn joining the Harts were true and I was pissed.
Great timing
Perfect execution
Excellent you might say
Here’s the poll for next Sunday:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PTBLiveChats/permalink/1799173126777779/
I pinned it as well.
Awesome show that still holds up. I love me some 1997. Great time tonight fellas!
I agree, thank you guys for doing this. Can’t wait for the next one.
Later guys. Cheers!
Always a good time, talk to you guys tomorrow night during raw.
I love how Anvil vanished so he wouldn’t have to shave his goatee as promised.