Daily Discussion Thread – 7/30/17 + Live Watch Tonight!

154 thoughts on “Daily Discussion Thread – 7/30/17 + Live Watch Tonight!”

1. Is everyone cool with the SummerSlam ’94 live watch tonight? As mentioned here earlier in the week, it’s on the Network live stream at 8pm, so it would easy to hop in if you’re running late.

2. Hanging and banging at the beach today

   What do we wanna live watch tonight?

   1. Whatever, what everyone picks Ill hop on after Game of Thrones tonight.

   2. I had mentioned Vengeance 03 a few days ago but whatever the majority wants is fine with me.

3. Night 2 of SHP4 underway – quieter tonight, but no Noam Dar or UK title match so to be expected. ICW shows are always very alcohol heavy affairs so there may be a few casualties from last night too haha

   1. Wolfgang best Super Crazy in a decent match

      Grado lost a Loser Leaves Town match, so Grado must leave the company that made him famous!

      Bram for the 2nd time in 3 years interrupted a wedding and piledrove the bride! This turned into a match and it looked for all the world that Bram was shooting, because he was enticed in to the ring after the Charlotte incident was brought up!!

      And the big announcement for Fear and Loathing in November, an appearance from ECW Legend – Rob! Van! Dam!!

      Kevin Nash will be in Glasgow that night too, he’s going to be the guest F&L commissioner for the evening.

      The show was good in a vacuum, but definitely suffered from last night being a very very good show.

   2. Oh, I just remembered this too – if anyone remembers Jody Fleisch’s appearance at CZW Best of the Best in I believe 2003, the springboard 720 DDT, he performed a picture perfect one of them tonight!

      Unbelieveable move to see, incredible athleticism

4. Here’s a narcissistic thing I’m going to start. I’m not so much into the WWE any longer, past or present, and I generally have the desire to watch two or three matches a day. I like to go through a mixture of present-day shows simultaneously, plus I’ve been diving more into my past archives of discs and streaming services.

   So, I’ve decided to post what I’m watching each day. Feel free to comment or ignore. I might add some commentary in down the line.

   Saturday 7/29:

   7/1/83 Adrian Adonis, Dick Murdoch vs. Akira Maeda & Seiji Sakaguchi
   11/18/83 Adonis & Murdoch vs. Riki Choshu and Animal Hamaguchi (Exhibition)
   5/27/17 Chikara Aniversario: School Reunion – Fire Ant/Mr. Touchdown vs. Jigsaw/Arik Cannon (Golden Dream match)

   1. Great idea.

   2. I watched the first half of Mania 28 with my kids. They thought the Sheamus thing was AMAZING.

      1. It is and without it I don’t think there is any way Bryan becomes AS big AS fast. That type of loss helped him way more than any type of 8-10 min loss would have.

         1. I hate it. I don’t know if I agree that ot helped him that much. He was mega over coming into the match and was really put over the top with the Kane team in my opinion. It made the show worse than it could have been. They go 15-20 and 28 is probably an all timer.

            1. Without the anger behind that moment I don’t think the crowds get as rabid and angry as they did, it felt like such a slap that it pissed off people enough to really kick the “Yes” train into overdrive.

            2. I think that was happening anyways. It’s not like he blew up overnight either though. The post mania Raw crowd was on it but they’re a special group. I remember it taking the wind out of my sails as pertains the supporting Bryan. Kind of like “whelp he’s never getting another shot.” I’m curious if tgat happened to others and actually slowed his momentum.

            3. Possible I guess. I thought the squash paid off his asshole arrogance gimmick well and is a way more memorable moment than a quick sprint title match (no way it gets more than 10 minutes in that slot IMO). We got the classic a month later anyway.

            4. I think I would have hated a sprint squash more. The winner of the Rumble and Daniel Bryan should have been given 15-20. On that card it’s easy to find the time.

            5. I was using Edge/Del Rio from WM27 as a measuring stick, same premise, same slot… got 11 minutes.

            6. Well they needed that hour for all the Cole/Lawler stuff.

            7. Brutal.

            8. If you don’t like HHH/Undertaker I think there’s a solid case for 27 being the worst.

   3. Steve, I love your commentary on the podcasts.

      1. Thanks, Mike!

5. So far we have a vote for Vengeance 2003 for tonight… any other options?

   1. That works for me.

6. When do we start?

   1. I figured once more people showed up? Maybe 845sh?

7. I have never watched this PPV.

8. 7/ of 20 make my greatest WWE list

9. I can’t remember watching this PPV. Might have been during my hiatus from the WWE at the time

10. Got into the Bruno-Billy Graham matches from the Sammartino collection. The first one (04/30/1977) featured the longest test of strength I’ve seen in my life (not a criticism); the second (08/01/1977) featured Graham bolting for the countout and special ref Gorilla Monsoon lugging him over his shoulder and tossing him back into the ring, a great moment. The blood stoppage takes full advantage of Gorilla’s once-pristine white shirt, and also shows that the BULLSHIT chant was alive and well in 1977.

    1. The 8/1/77 match is great.

       1. I’m starting to get into Bruno’s “I’m going to hit you and keep hitting you” schtick. It was pretty compelling when he went back after Graham after the match was called off.

    2. As a test of strength I remember Rude vs. Warrior.

       1. The announcers got them over.

    3. Everyone criticized Graham. But he was the model for Hulk Hogan.

    4. Moving onto the first Larry Z match in the collection, 01/22/1980…is this Joel McHugh of Titans fame as the ring announcer?

       1. The character dynamics in this match are great. Bruno’s voluntarily breaking every hold since it’s kind of an exhibition match, while Larry tries to cinch everything in and gets pissed when Bruno counters.

          1. Yes that part of it is so awesome.

       2. Geez, Bruno’s blade job at the end is a hell of a thing. That’s how you kick off an angle.

    5. Glen, I really enjoy your shows. Thanks

       1. Thanks!

          1. You made me second guess my 100 WWE list for women.

             1. Not just you. But the show…I am still a bit unsure…

             2. I’m glad to see people reacting to that show. It’s easy to write people off before someone makes a real case for them.

             3. My list is still very flexible…but I am swapping out #95 Mr. Fuji for Lita.

    6. 08/09/1980 against Larry Z…these Shea Stadium shows had such weird optics with the empty field behind the ring.

       1. Righteous Bruno is the best Bruno. He is not interested in taking a single moment of Larry’s shit here.

       2. I suppose there’s a purist impulse behind including this match without commentary since none was recorded at the time, rather than the Cole/Foley commentary from when the whole show went up on 24/7 some years back.

11. OK looks like Vengeance 2003 it is… once we have a quorum we can get going!

    1. When do we start?

       1. As soon as enough people show up I think.

12. I’m really into th World Class episodes that were recently added

    1. Nice, what’s been your favorite part so far? Anyone surprise you?

       1. I’ve seen some Bundy from 82, but he was a full blown star in World Class

          1. Yeah he was really awesome there, presented as such and delivered on it.

             1. The people at the Sportarorium may be the greatest fans ever. They made that place special

             2. For sure, was an amazing atmosphere, so into everything, especially during the VE/Freebirds feud.

             3. Will Bundy make your list?

             4. Possibly. There seems like they could have done more with him.

             5. Flair/Kerry cage match with Michael Hayes involvement is my favote ending to cage match ever .

             6. Insane heat, an era we will never see again.

             7. one surprise so far was Harley Race wrestling as a face vs Bundy. Getting a drop kick and flying head scissors out of Race was fun to see

13. The winter months are when I binge on Network material

14. This Tatanka heel turn did seem somewhat scripted. Either that or no one really cared about Luger anymore.

15. What are we watching?

    1. Was going to be Vengeance 2003 but not sure it’s happening tonight.

       1. I’d be in for that show – is it crap or good? Fine either way as i have HW to do

          1. It’s a great show… if enough people are around and down we can fire it up.

16. I am new to this live chatting thing.

17. About a year ago I found a bunch of the LJN WWF dolls at an antiques store.

    1. I haggled with the owner and bought them all.

       1. Do you guys have any of them?

          1. I have some kicking around but pretty much was more into the Hasbros.

             1. I have quite a few Hasbros.

             2. I don’t have the late issues…rares….big $.

18. I am at Royal Rumble 97 in my chrono watch, if anyone would rather watch that show.

    1. Do you want to start now?

       1. Sure I’m good now.

          1. Yah I am firing up

             1. Paused at 2 seconds

             2. The Alamo Dome

             3. Can you imagine if Gold Dust said Yes….ha

             4. OK let’s go

             5. Just started – i went there for the 2017 Rumble – crazy how they made the arena look totally different between the 2 shows

    2. That works, I can toss it on, I’m not gonna last long tonight anyway.

       1. Sounds Good.

19. This is an interesting show… everything on the uptick but still a big lack of depth on the roster.

20. Ross looks so young here jeez.

    1. Never can get over Lawler’s awful hairstyle choices. Truly terrible.

       1. That fucking mullet he had in 95/96 was brutal.

          1. Yeah that and the bowl cut thing he has going on at this point.

21. Weird period of Goldust here for a bit as he is a tweener, doesn’t really go into a face style in ring until the spring.

    1. I never got behind Golddust face back in the day. I’m not sure why we were supposed to cheer for him

22. Forgot that Mr. Hughes is his body guard for this one match.

    1. Yeah he lasted a couple weeks and then got kicked to the curb.

23. I have Gold Dust in my top 40

    1. Oh yeah at least that, probably higher for me.

24. He was in the right place at the right time for that gimmick.

25. This is a weird feud in that they fight a ton but never really crack ***

    1. Yeah you would definitely expect at least one of them to be really good to great but they just never found a groove I guess.

26. But I think he couldn’t get neatly away from it like other guys.

27. What do you think go Gold Dust’s suit? ha

    1. Never a fan of the gold and white one, he wore it a lot in 96.

       1. I talked to him for a few seconds at a promo thing at the mall of America with cody.

          1. He seemed to be a really nice guy.

28. Do y’all like when people who compete earlier in the night also compete in the Rumble or would rather them do one or the other?

    1. Double duty is fine, adds to the importance of the Rumble. Why should those guys not be permitted?

       1. Oh no reason. I just know they do it some years and don’t on others.

          1. I wasn’t asking you sorry, lol, was just a rhetorical.

29. This is a long match.

30. Hey Rumble ’97? We did a live watch on that a couple years ago:

    https://placetobenation.com/ptbn-rumble-rewind-royal-rumble-97-live-watch/

    1. Yes, but not of this classic Golddust/Triple H from their best of 31 series that year.

31. It was a decent opener…

    1. Quite long and yeah, decent… **1/4sh

    2. This match is classic Triple H, way too long – tries to build to an epic heat segment and never gets there

32. The nation??? ha

    1. What a strange mix of guys.

33. Chyna debuts on a Raw in the following weeks correct?

    1. She debuts at Thursday Raw Thursday and then again at Final Four and then the next night and on from there…

34. You’re going down!

35. Ahmed did have that fucking look.

    1. Yeah I always kinda felt bad for him. Really thought he would’ve been much more if not for untimely injuries.

       1. This fued went on too long – should have ended at Mania. And then to turn in made no sense – it was like NWO turns where after months of feuding you then just join them

          1. At that point they were just trying to salvage whatever they could with Ahmed I think. The injuries just wrecked him.

36. Faarooq was really dog shit in the ring until he got into shape for the Acolytes.

37. When does Savio join the Nation? He does it on an episode of Shotgun right?

    1. Yeah it is like two weeks after this at an MSG house show.

38. Does the nation gimmick work in 97?
    It doesn’t really seam to get a lot of heat here.

    1. Not until they revamp right after KOTR.

39. Pearl River Plunge….

    1. That was a man sized one through the table.

40. I think the bow tie was a gimmick that a lot of casual people probably didn’t understand.

41. Vader Time

    1. I always liked him.

42. PG13 was great overall but made the Nation seem goofier.

43. Whenever I think of a black Islamic group….I picture a guy like Crush with dreadlocks backing them up. ha

    1. It was a real mess until June for sure.

44. Undertaker is in my top 5

    1. He is not nearly that high for me.

45. This match and final four really rebuilt Vader into a star – what should he have done at Mania to keep that train going? I feel like Mania is the end of Vader as a star in WWF

    1. They should have done Vader vs. Mankind like was originally planned.

46. I can’t wait for the rumble.
    Scott and JTR did the 1999 review a few years ago. ha I am sure this one is better

47. This match sucks….

    1. The one at Canadian Stampede is way better.

48. I am tapping out guys, long day and not a lot of sleep last night. Enjoy!

    1. Have a good night. Thanks.

49. Just started veep with my wife this weekend and we love it.

    1. So good, the latest two seasons are amazing.

       1. I love the comedy style in it.

50. The Vader Bomb.

51. All these matches are just too long – especially this one which is supposed to be quick – high fliers

52. I wonder how close HHH and Lawler’s relationship is outside of WWE? Lawler always seemed to cheer for him a little more than he did everyone else from what I’ve observed.

53. What was the Live watch tonight?

54. As we turn to August, let’s start brainstorming SummerSlam or other August shows to live watch.

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