It’s Tuesday! Join us to talk about the fallout from Raw, tonight’s Smackdown, this weekend’s Battleground and whatever else is on your mind!
Also, in case you missed it, here is some other stuff going on at PTBN:
Brian Bayless recaps last night’s episode of Raw!
Plus some audio content hot off the presses:
Pretty funny:
http://deadspin.com/the-astros-have-laid-carlos-beltrans-outfield-glove-to-1797001030
I love McCann, loved him as a brave. Unsure what the Yanks think about him, but if the braves dont win it this year (not looking good). Id like for the Astros to win it this year.
OK, let’s keep our GWWE discussions going today…
Big Boss Man!
One of the higher big guys for me. Super memorable and fun to watch in the ring. The Hogan feud put him on the map and I LOVE the babyface he became almost as much as I love his run as worst human on the planet. Probably around 60 ish.
Agreed, he is a guy I look at and realize… everything he did seems to have a baseline of “good”… I can’t think of any really glaring stinkers or bad stuff until his last year in 2000. He was super fun as Vince’s enforcer and then super douche casket dragging Boss Man.
I think his worst would be Mania 15. I also wasn’t a fan of he a Bull Buchannen. Partially because I can never spell Buchanon. I felt at that point the welcome was getting thin.
True on WM15 that was wretched. That and his 2000 stuff drops him into that range you mentioned above. If he just had 88-93 and 98-99 w/o WM15 he probably comes way higher.
Agreed. I even like most of his hardcore run. For what it was.
I will have to go back and rewatch the hogan work. I just remember seeing him after he had turned babyface. He will make my list, I am unsure where at the moment. I did enjoy the big show feud, well the segments.
Bossman is definitely somewhere on mine. One of my early favorites during the Hogan era and his heel run is fantastic stuff.
In my lookback and just after the point where Bossman turned and he was awesome with his promos and even dropped weight as a face. His Hogan run was a success and the guy really improved. His Attitude Era run was crap for the most part but his first run had a lot of good stuff. I’m pretty sure he’ll be in my list.
He’ll be on my list not sure where but pretty much echo everyone’s comments below. His selling of a beating was good from Nailz I’ll never forget the photos in wwf magazine of his bruises really had me worried as a 8 year old.
His run in the 92 Rumble was awesome too, he was a maniac in there and then takes that sick bump when he misses the charge and eliminates himself.
If anyone is interested, wwe shop is running a deal for 10 bucks for some tshirts. Then 20 for some of the newer ones.
If you enjoy the chronological looks we have in our library like The Place to Be Podcast, Where the Big Boys Play, and Titans of Wrestling, i’d strongly recommend ThROH the Years on the Pro wrestling Only feed. ROH is 15 years old, it’s a great time to start going through their library.
What’s everyone watching today? With a couple days off before the next G1 show, i’m trying to catch up on NJPW – going back to the USA shows for the semi-finals.
I’m catching BJW Ryogokutan’s uppercard before G1 season really kicks off. Hideki Suzuki is really climbing my list of favorite guys to watch. The tag match looks super interesting too. I like the idea of two “Legends of the Deathmatch Division” fighting the tag team Champions under normal puro rules to show they aren’t just garbage wrestlers.
Peter, i’m glad we have you and Chad to survey the non-NJPW scene in Japan.
There is so much cool stuff out there, and just not enough time.
Every company has a ton of talent right now. It’s really amazing.
I’m also trying to squeeze in Trevor Lee / Nick Richards from CWF as I love their big main event title matches.
An overlooked part of the ongoing AAA John Morrison/Taya Valkyrie/Sexy Star disaster is that AAA is apparently trying to build up to Mascara de Bronce being the one to beat JoMo for all the titles.
On last month’s AAA event, two separate people in two separate incidents kicked Bronce’s ass and took away his MitB briefcase.
Can you unpack the Morrison situation in AAA? Would be of interest to folks I think.
I have read some on that Taya CF from reddit and it sounds shady. I dont watch triple a, but from reading the WOR its seem to have gone down hill recently.
AAA is like this fascinating world wherever it’s still 1999.
So I guess we are a year into the 2nd Brand Split. What grade do we give it?
B
Needs more time and more callups to really show the value. It’s like building/buying a house before you start having children. There’s rooms and space not claimed yet.
Yeah this feels about right. I think WWE is better with it than without. They have more than enough talent to fill two separate shows and keeps things fresher.
And they’ve still got room to add people. Smackdown’s women’s division gets complained about being tiny but there will be a lot more women coming sooner rather than later.
AAA’s Current Disaster:
They recently unified their World, IC & Cruiserweight belts all onto John Morrison.
A few years ago AAA stripped Sexy Star (from Lucha Underground) of their women’s belt, mostly because she refused to job. Sexy Star pretty much went home, filmed LU and kicked around a boxing career.
Since then, the women’s belt eventually found its way to Taya Valkyrie, fiancé of John Morrison. She was recently injured and missed some shows.
AAA requested they have the women’s belt for some photo op stuff and JoMo handed it over.
AAA then took to Twitter and stripped Taya of the title. A couple nights ago Sexy Star made a surprise appearance and won the Women’s title in her hometown.
Taya and JoMo are ripshit. Morrison also has physical posession of EVERY SINGLES TITLE in the company. Because of this, nobody’s sure if he (or the titles) are ever coming back. This situation was so dumb, damaging and easily prevented a lot of people thought this was a work originally.
Oh, and Triplemania (AAA’s Wrestlemania equivalent) is 8/26 (the same day as Floyd/Conor).
I strangely don’t want Morrison to return, just to see what would happen.
How has AAA intertwined with GFW/TNA of late? Or am I confusing them with someone else?
I know at Slammivesary, they were in that tag team match with Crash and I believe NOAH.
TNA is currently aligned with both AAA and their mortal enemy, The Crash.
They had a four way at Slamniversary with teams from each company.
BUT… TNA used LU AAA guys so no one has any idea how that affects LU exclusive deals.
GFW being stupid might have freed Ricochet from his contract lol
Which July SNME do you guys recommend? July 89 or July 90?
1990 has Tito vs Perfect right?
I believe so.
1990 all the way, that is a classic.
Ok thanks. I was kinda leaning toward that one.
The whole show is really good, probably a top tier SNME, here is our review:
http://placetobenation.com/scott-jts-vintage-vault-refresh-saturday-nights-main-event-xxvii-72890/
Yeah I remember the podcast review,sounds like a really good one.
July 89 has the brain busters winning the titles from demolition but I don’t think much else.
I know Hulk vs Honkey Tonk and Savage vs Beefcake too.
OK where you do guys fall on Sgt. Slaughter for GWWE?
Reasearching him now. Will make the list just not sure where yet. Watched a match from 83 tge other night with Backlund that I dug quite a bit. Would love more match recommendations that don’t include the boot camps with Patterson and Sheik.
Hogan at WM7 I guess is another obvious one. Their Desert Storm match at MSG in summer 91 is really good too.
Kelly can probably add some good suggestions here.
That’s right desert storm match I said boot camp above, not like it’s a different type of match but my apologies anyways.
Right, basically the same thing, I missed your comment but yes echo it, that is a really fun match.
90’s I’m good with it’s more early stuff I need.
I haven’t checked on the network but I know they have added some old msg shows any of them have a good slaughter match worth checking out?
Watch Slaughter vs Andre from MSG 1983. One of the best WWF Andre match I’ve ever seen, and definitley the best post Killer Khan Injury. Slaughter bumped his ass off. It’s on youtube.
Thanks Greg I’ll definitely check it out, also like watching old Andre stuff before he broke down.
Slaughter also had some great bouts with Backlund in 81 and 83. Really liked their Spectrum matches
Based on what I have seen he is probably in the 40s… need to see if anything else can bump him up. His character work in the 90s stuff was amazing given what he was saddled with.
I also enjoyed his match with Triple H in 97 as he is still out there bumping his ass around like a nut.
Higher than Boss Man?
Probably pretty close but yeah… I am not sure Boss Man has anything as good as the Backlund or Sheik stuff. They are probably both in the same range though.
I have to rewatch those. To me Boss Man is waaaay more memorable and a better character. But if the matches are there Slaughter may pass him.
Yeah i think it is a tight race. Boss Man in the 40s isn’t a stretch for me. I will see what the math bears out.
His promo work during early 90s is great. With the way he would look at the camera with his big crazy eyes and sounding like a drooling maniac, he would make you think something broke in his brain.
The Slaughter vs Patterson MSG match from April before their Boot camp match is very good.
I’ll have to go back and watch his older stuff with Patterson, backlund, iron sheik etc.
His 91 run wasn’t great but the boot camp match with hogan at msg was good.
Slaughter is the best bumping big man I’ve ever seen. His early 80’s stuff if amazing. Easy top 25 for me
He makes my list easily – his early 80s stuff is a notch above most, he’s one of the best workers in the country.
Probably somewhere in the 40s on my list. His early 80s stuff is great with him doing Hogan before Hogan with the Americana stuff and feuding with the evil foreigner. It’s really what he’s most known for along with the early 90s turncoat angle. He was a such a heat magnet during the Iraq stuff, he wouldn’t even be served at restaurants. (Allegedly)
Underrated crossover star due to GI Joe run. Another intangible is his ability to draw fans back to him after his heel run. Top notch character work late in his career.
18 years ago today…
https://youtu.be/3xE83Kj2tEQ
This was the one on Yogi Berra Day, right?
Correct. Plus, the rain delay.
My cousin Frank Galasso was at that game and presented Yogi with a lithograph beforehand. I remember I was at my Uncle’s house for a St. Mary’s Party listening to it. My dad and I could have went with Frank but didn’t…
Time for some more Prime Time Wrestling, leading into the first ever Survivor Series.
I believe this aired on 11-12-87, during a weird time when PTW aired on Thursdays.
Bobby is upset no members of the Heenan Family are featured this week.
A Honky vs Hillbilly Jim match. Jim has more agility than I remember. Perhaps if he wasn’t confined to just portraying a country boy rassler, he could have done a bit more.
And Bruce Prichard and Mike McGuirk commentary? MUST BE TEXAS!
I went through these PTW’s a few months ago. From what I remember, Bruce and McGuirk would do live commentary from the Houston shows and voice-over work for dark matches during TV tapings.
If that is Pete Doherty doing the heel color with Prichard and McGuirk I understand every complaint ever leveled at him. Good Lord is he awful!
Boo Gorilla! How dare you infer Andre is dumb!
Yay! Jose Luis Estrada!
Boo! Outback Jack.
And at MSG? Yadda yadd Main Event Anywhere Yadda Yadda!
All time classic Brain commentary on that match. “It will take a good man to beat Outback Jack but it won’t take him long”
The Rock filed the paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to officially run for president in 2020.
My God I actually just wrote that.
Things are not going well for Tara Reid… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b96f2e4377b5931e9bf03e24a659f785965b14a9dc9bf852a96a37edd6fbb730.jpg
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Too much plastic surgery.
Oh dear God.
God she looks terrible.
Todd Frazier scratched from the lineup… word is Red Sox may be close on him and K-Rob.
Dombrowski draining the farm system
That’s his deal.
Its why I hated the hire.
I guess Jinder has to main event this
Weekend right?
Seems it for sure with the gimmick.
GWE discussion: Faarooq
Probably a trendy cause celibre if WCW is the subject, but not a real contender in WWF.
Imagine taking the time to do this:
https://twitter.com/njpwplanet/status/887147113364283393
Oh for fucks sake
Christ what a clown.
I have some weirdo in my RAW review thread on the Blog of Doom who does stuff like that.
Some people have way too much time on their hands. Plus I can’t say im surprised with a name like that.
Yankee game off to a strong start…
The jacket Mike Kanelis is wearing is fantastic.
Don’t have it on at the moment, let me know how Bennett looks in the ring.
He looked pretty good. Zayn got a lot of offense in. Bennett won after Maria got in the ring and took advantage.
Mysterio to GFW?
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=111012
Wouldn’t shock me… would be a solid pick up with some name value.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/887474778742956032
Sweet! Love K-Rob!
A homecoming for the ToddFather too! North Jersey guy.
Kahnle is a pretty good pitcher – surprised he went also. Thought he could close for Sox. Who did the yanks give up ?
No word yet… I’ve seen Mateo rumored.
This cena promo has not been good imo.
I don’t understand why I’m supposed to hate Bulgaria.
Because they’re not American, pal!
I believe they are on the travel ban list.
Man, if ever there was a time for someone to get heat off of showing gigantic photos of Putin, it should be 2017.
They were ahead of themselves for once with that. They were showing those photos as far back as 2014.
I don’t see Linda touching that with a 10 foot pole given the climate right now
They aren’t. Its not a Muslim country.
Sigh.
How’s Smackdown?
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/887493765342134272
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Blake Rutherford, the #Yankees, first-round pick in 2016, will be the prized Yankees prospect going to the @WhiteSox.
He is really good but Frazier coming up and raking made him expendable
Judge… Frazier… Hicks… Bryce Harper…. OF is filled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Xx1iqDQCw
Gulak/Ali has been fun… continue to enjoy 205
That’s been a good feud. Probably the best feud no one watches.
I’m kinda out of the loop but when does the Friday live watch get decided?
Usually Thursday