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Daily Discussion Thread – 7/12/17

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Today at Place to Be Nation:

A new For Your Consideration featuring Will, Steve and Johnny Sorrow

The longest running episode weekly piece in Place to Be Nation history – THE WEDNESDAY WALK

Brian recaps last night’s 205 Live

162 thoughts on “Daily Discussion Thread – 7/12/17”

    1. It seems like throwing away money for no reason on weekly tv.

      2. I hadn’t noticed it till Monday night when Brock came out and his stage pyro didn’t go off! But it doesn’t bother me and is incredibly smart on their part.

    2. With the new entrance setup, I hadn’t even noticed they weren’t using it. This is a smart cut imo.

  2. The Kurt 24 doc was fantastic… emotional ride for sure. So happy he found his way back.

    Also, the I Quit on 205 Live was a lot of fun with a great finish.

  3. Hiromu Takahashi vs KUSHIDA from Dominion was really great. I really enjoy that Hiromu’s character is Animal from The Muppets as a real person.

    1. This is on my watch list – trying to catch up on all outstanding NJPW big matches before the G1.

      1. Me too. I fell way behind on NJPW for a few months and I want to be caught up before G1 makes it impossible.

      1. Oh yes – ****1/2 from me – loved this. Can’t believe i waited a month to watch it.

  4. Anyone know why Adrian Adonis was a big part of the post match backstage stuff after Paul Orndorff turned on Hulk Hogan?

    1. On the “Flower Shop,” Adonis kept stirring up that Hogan was trying to steal Orndorff’s spotlight and basically made Orndorff paranoid. Adonis planted the seed for the Orndorff turn

    3. I think there were some Hogan vs Adonis house show matches around that period of time too. The Flower Shop segments couod have been used to build for those matches.

        1. Michael does a great job layering in the youtube clips. Just have to be patient if they cut ’em down (which happened some with Adonis – surprisingly). It’s *not* because of his piece of course, but some get wiped.

          1. Yeah. The Piper vs Adonis Maple Leaf Gardens match that got taken down hurt because it really was much better than the WrestleMania 3 match.

    2. I liked the piece but Akeem is not in my top 100. He was done by the Fall of 89

      1. There is the Bret Hart match on Prime Time that was the beginning of 90. Also a MSG match with Dusty Rhodes that I rather liked. The Big Bossman matches didn’t deliver like I had hoped but the Saturday Night Main Event match is better than the WrestleMania 6 match. Also the Tito Santana match in the IC Title tournament was quite good although the ending left something to be desired. After the Tito match he was pretty much done but hung around until almost Survivor Series.

        1. That Dusty match I thought was awful. All dancing and nerve holds without a single thing looking remotely realistic. Akeem’s injury in the Fall of ’89 was something he never really bounced back from.

          Gang’s house show run with Hogan was good though. I liked that quite a bit and the beginning of the Twin Towers was good stuff too.

          1. I was surprised to see The Twin Towers only had one match with The Rockers. I felt like they could have gotten a couple more quality matches between those two teams.

  6. Dominion: Suzuki-Goto was good enough as a lumberjack match. Nothing special though.

    1. I liked this, but liked the Tanahashi/Devitt one better (they haven’t done too many of those)

  7. What would be the cons of GFW doing Japan style tours that last like a week and a half, taping that and using that footage the same way they use the massive tapings in Orlando?

    1. Like instead of taping four shows in the Impact Zone, they tape eight weekly shows across four house shows in a week.

      1. They haven’t toured in a while and a few years ago with a stronger roster could barely get people to go to the shows.

        1. I went to one around 2013. They literally did no advertising for it. If they stayed in the South could it work?

          1. I think if they developed a loop like ROH has, sure. Hit the same towns twice a year, build a following like that.

            I’m not sure Anthem’s in for that kind of investment. They want content for their networks.

    2. Maybe it’s an idea for next year, but it would be cool to do hit those minor league stadiums and do some taping there, sure the crowds may not be gigantic but I always like the outside atmosphere. I’m sure with Jarrett back in charge and with anthem behind them maybe IF they start to turn a profit they do show outside of Orlando

    3. Cost and hiring a marketing wing of people to actually promote.

      But really, to your point I think, it’s not like Universal is rent-free for them. They have to pay that bill + they get no ticket sales to recoup.

      They have long had a very bad strategy on making money.

  8. Speaking of GFW, Alberto has been suspended indefinitely until the investigation is resolved

      1. I agree, going to be interesting to see how they deal with the tapings since he is all over them.

    3. I was thinking of making a case for ADR for the Top 100 project considering how luke warm a lot of people are on him. But the more that comes out about his personal issues, the less I want to stump for the guy. He was marginal on my list at best. Now I would feel sleezy taking up for this dude.

      1. I was so bored by him in the WWE its ridiculous. I dont get what people liked about him as a wrestler.

  13. Awww, the Prime Time desk isn’t covered in LJN figures. Big time selling for the upcomming Survivor Series right away.

  16. Hoo boy, an announce team of Bruce Prichard, Mike McGuirk and Jimmy Hart for a Sika vs SD Jones match.

  18. I like these undercard matches from Superstars and Challenge tapings. This is the TV setup that I’m reminded of from my childhood. It’s like warm cocoa.

  19. Sika was about to get a short program with Hogan in this era, and he is selling waaaay to much for SD Jones.

  22. Bobby: You know what turns me on? Thanksgiving night.

    Oh I don’t want to know what The Brain is gonna do with that baster.

  23. Gorilla and Bobby make a short mention about “The Princess Bride”. I have a WWF magazine from this period too that has a full article on Andre in the film.

    1. One of my favorite movies as a kid. Picked it up for like $5 on blu ray at BJ’s a couple of years ago.

  24. Now Oliver Humperdink has replaced Jimmy Hart on commentary for a George Steele match.

    When you’re ripping off Lou Albano’s schtick, you know you’re in trouble.

  25. Did those destroyed turnbuckles come out of Steele’s paycheck? They couldn’t be cheap, plus those ring crew guys had to clean all that shit up and reassemble them. Not cheap!

  27. I like to think that Hogan and crew in the Piledriver video are building Titan Tower.

  29. Gorilla jokes that Arnold Skalaand has been in a few compromising positions. Is that another case of Monsoon making gay innuendo? He did that a lot.

  31. Bobby and Andre on the interview platform, making the hard sell for Andre’s in ring return at Survivor Series.

    1. DeGeorge was fairly decent in his role. Much better than Sean Mooney, who had the personality of drywall.

      1. I started watching about six months after Mooney debuted and just as Schiavone came in. So for me, Tony was a WWF guy first.

  33. Fired up the 6/30/73 MSG House Show on the Network, we got a little ladies 2 of 3 tag action!

    FEEL THE HEAT!

  34. Bobby was confused on describing the Survivor Series concept and made it sound like a team battle royal.

  35. Outback Jack vs Tiger Chun Lee. Not exactly highlighting the top talent on this episode are we.

  37. I love when Bobby will start mumbling non sequitors and Gorilla just ignores him. Hey that’s the WWF Magazine I have (Bam Bam Bigelow on the cover).

    1. My brother gave me his whole magazine collection when I was like 12… it was every WWF magazine from like 1986 through 1990sh. Was amazing to go through them all… I still have them but they are in rougher shape.

  38. Strike Force vs Barry Horowitz and Tiger Chun Lee (again).

    How lucky are we to have 2 Tiger Chun Lee matches to enjoy today!

  39. The archivists uploading these episodes missed blurring the Superstars of Wrestling banner during this match.

  40. Bruno was still on commentary in the fall of 87, I thought he was gone by this point.

      1. Not sure, Bockwinkel was on the episode I watched yesterday and that was March of ’88.

  41. This Strike Force match has clearly been the best so far, due to the natural athleticism of Santana, Martel and Horowitz. Tiger Chun Lee is also a person in this match.

  42. Gorilla is shilling Survivor Series, Bobby is talking on the phone, and they are overlapping.

    Did Robert Altman direct this?

  43. Scott Casey vs Iron Mike Sharpe. Anytime you get to see Mike Sharpe it’s a good day (that’s not even a joke, I love Iron Mike).

  44. I wonder if Alberto’s suspension will expire after the 45 weeks of television they’ve already taped.

    2. You can bet Anthem’s last dollar on that one. I’m guessing they keep him on TV as the investigation is ongoing.

  45. This match is so intense Gorilla and Dick are discussing Jesse Ventura’s movie career.

    1. Hey – can you reply with your running thoughts under one master post so they read together and are easier to follow?

      1. I was actually thinking this might make for an interesting column. Not a recap, more of a stream of conciousness posting. I could list the program notes at the top and then my comments below flowing in chronological order.

        1. I like that idea but I like it in the comments. I think you are more likely to get responses here and it can be interactive.

          1. Okay. Should I do it as a master thread then, I guess that would make for an easier read if I just keep replying under my initial post.

  46. ESPN reporting that Houston is working with the Knicks for a deal with Melo.

      1. I just have no idea who’s going to handle the ball/take shots in the Paul/Harden/Melo trio.

    2. The pouting by Melo, Harden, and Paul if they lose in the playoffs will be something else.

    1. I want to rewatch that again. Watching live, it was a big drop from the WK match for me and the superhero comeback by Tana while expected was disappointing

      1. You have to watch it again. I just finished it and it was amazing. I liked Tanahashi’s fiery comeback (tremendous nearfall off the second rope Destino) even though I thought the extended cloverleaf was a disjointed finish that fell flat to me (because he did little to nothing with the knee outside the dragon whips to take over early).

      2. I loved how gritty it was – the before the bell action all played off the injury and the 1/4 match. thought naito worked the arm great, tremendous selling by Tanahashi. So well put together. ****1/2

  50. It is important for this community, and especially Overcommitter, to know that I got 12th row tickets for Tori Amos in October.

    Please stay tuned for important follow up non-sequitors.

  51. Really don’t feel like committing an hour plus to Okada-Omega II right now. So I’ll skip over to AAA’s silly 6 man/3 team mask match main event.

  52. Watching the Angle doc, I always thought it was crappy that Austin was under the bottom rope and grabbing the apron when he tapped out at Unforgiven 2001. One of those small things i guess.

    1. This was really good and also the answer to “what’s the last thing you watched in wrestling that made you slightly choked up?”.

      1. Yeah, it got to me emotionally in a big way. Wasn’t expecting it, because I know Kurt’s story well and followed his career in TNA (and the associated struggles) very closely, but it was much different to see things in the context of hindsight and, most vitally, to see him playing with his kids. It also exposed how well WWE hid things in Kurt’s heyday.

        I came away at points sad, at points angry (“The doctor put shots of novocain and cleared me to wrestle”) and, ultimately, inspired. It’s a wonderful piece of work.

      2. Also crazy to see Kurt watching Cena rehearse his pre-WrestleMania 19 rap and saying “This guy’s gonna be big. He’s gonna be a star.”

        I hope one day WWE gets control of TNA’s archives, because despite his issues Kurt had some phenomenal matches there.

    2. I also thought Dixie was really good and that was a nice touch without going much into his TNA stint.

    3. AGREED. It bugged me at the time, and just as much in hindsight. If you listen, it clearly mutes the pop from what it could’ve been, too, because it sure seemed like the crowd knew what was up. Like they were waiting for the ref to overturn it, then when he didn’t and the family was filing in, they sort of let loose, but the pop for the win wasn’t what it should’ve been or what it would’ve been if the tap had come in the center of the ring.

  53. I’mma get funkay like a monkay today- Planet of the Apes triple screening at 4:30. Rise, Dawn and War back to back to back.

    1. I’m pretty excited for it. While the star power is down, there are a lot of newer names that I’ve never seen, so I’m psyched to view them for the first time.

    3. Weird no Chuck Taylor again as he is champ now. Overall, some solid stuff and I am happy for guys like Guevara and TK Cooper. I think the #24 thing was a little unfair as yeah having LIger last year was cool but that wasn’t THAT huge of a get and people thinking Omega or what not were in it were probably reaching too much.

      1. I like how they brought in newer talents. The news of no O’Reilly signals to me is heading to WWE though.

  55. Have to recommend the football article in Glenn’s Walk today. Absolute mind trip, and I’m only a little bit into it.

  56. For Your Consideration #4 is my favorite one they have done so far. I had to pause a few times I was laughing so hard at Johnny and Will bickering. It was beautiful.

  57. When your knee-jerk reaction to a work e-mail is “Fuck yourself and die slow”

    that would probably be construed as an unprofessional reply. It’s time to call it a day and watch the Kurt Angle doc.

    1. Perfect time for a weekend.

      …I typed that, thought about a further reply for a full bah-gawd minute, and just realized that it’s Wednesday.

      1. Thank you for giving your response even a full bah-gawd minute. You’re not kidding. Appropriately, I just realized today was my 7-year anniversary with the company. Planning to be sick on Friday.

        Meanwhile, the Kurt Angle 24/7 is pretty good and somewhat re-centering.

  58. Guys there is nothing I could possible care less about than the ESPYs. Think of all the smart people they could have kept versus running this masturbatory gala.

  59. Can we talk nxt spoilers on here? Don’t want to ruin anything for someone

    2. Tough one, but i think we have to pass unless there’s some trick to spoiler tags

    3. I’m going to slightly disagree. If it’s on TV at that moment, like last night, it’s fair game. No difference between that and a PPV. If it’s a few weeks down the line, then no.

      And I’m pretty anti-spoiler, as you know…BRAD 🙂

        1. I liked how he really went into the details of his many, many neck injuries. People forget about that one in late ’03 after his first surgery. Came back just in time for the Eddie match at WM, then out AGAIN until Summerslam. At the time, I seriously thought that was it for him. Now I know Angle did too – he talked about thinking how every match from that point on could be his last, which just goes a long way towards explaining why the back half of his WWE run was so balls-out. It’s pretty unreal that after all the injuries, substance abuse, steroids, etc. that he’s still alive today, let alone ambulatory.

          1. Not only that, they literally showed the moves where he broke it. Probably the most grisly one was the one before the olympics.

          2. I’ve actually never seen that No Way Out PPV, so I’d always thought his pre-19 injury happened on a foreign tour and not in an actual PPV match.

          3. One of the times the documentary stung the most was him getting choked up talking about that 03 one where he came back too early.

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