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Monday Night Raw & Daily Discussion Thread- 8/28/17
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August fucking flew by.
Signed a form this morning and pondered if it was the 22nd or the 23rd and then corrected into it being the 28th, so yep, i’m with you there.
The days fly by when life is 2 Sweet!!!
I reflected more on the Mankind/HBK match and the jumping “super” (it was ok) kick into the chair and decided, yes, ***** . That would have been a great finish and everything else tying in works with the story, so there you go. I don’t know how i’d score this on Chad’s 10 point scale to help delineate between 5-star matches. Lower end i’d guess.
Way to come around. That was a perfect WWF style match. Great brawling, psychology, storytelling, character work, commentary, etc. etc.
I remember buying the Shawn Michaels: From the Vault DVD when it came out and I watched that match more than any other in the set, and there are some fantastic matches on it
yep, that’s the name of the set I referenced last night (I couldn’t recall it). It’s still one of my faves. At that time, those shows were only available on the original VHS releases so to finally see these matches you’ve read the same review on for years was really great.
The earliest VHS tapes we could get here, when I started watching wrestling anyway, were from 1999, 1998 if you were lucky. This DVD was the first place I saw the HIAC and the Iron Man – I those discs out. Even the AWA match blew me away.
Match-for-match it’s one of, if the not THE, best set they’ve ever released. The average rating for those is incredibly high.
Couldn’t agree more, the only one that I’ve bought that would come close would be Mick Foley’s Greatest Hits and Misses – it has Undertaker Hell in a Cell, Sting match at Beach Blast, the Spring Stampede 94 tag match – but even that is a distant second
I haven’t done an in-depth look, but I remember when the Steamboat set came out that it had the potential to be up there. Same with the first Ric Flair set (*the* original DVD comp they ever released).
Is that the 4 disc utimate collection? I always remember seeing that in shops but I was still in high school with no money and I couldn’t convince my parents to part with £30/£35 for a wrestling DVD – they hiked the price up for that one here
it was 3 discs here (funny enough, Amazon just prompted me that i did indeed buy this 7 + years ago)
https://www.amazon.com/WWE-Ultimate-Ric-Flair-Collection/dp/B0000DIJOW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503937438&sr=8-2&keywords=ric+flair+ultimate+collection
It might have been 3 discs here too, might have mixed it up with a hogan one, did he have a 4 disc set?
Astros and Rangers series is being moved do to Harvey. MLB is looking at a neutral site outside of Texas. Possibly St. Louis.
Just read an article saying that 6 out of 10 millennials prefer being fired from their jobs via text or instant message rather than in person…main reasons given were to avoid awkwardness and/or confrontation.
My generation, man…
Ha not a surprise. Or maybe they figure the slight will inspire them like it did when Austin got fired by fax.
I don’t get why someone would prefer to do anything in person that can be done just as well by text. I mean, you do you, if you reeeeeally like face-to-face human contact I hope you’re able to get some.
So last night’s Mind Games watch had me thinking about ***** WWF/E matches i’ve ranked.
HBK/Razor WM X Ladder match
HBK/Mankind Mind Games
HBK/Taker HiaC Bad Blood
Batista/HHH HiaC Vengeance 05
Punk/Cena MitB 11
I don’t think I’ve watched the ladder match in the last 7 years, although it checked the box for me in ’10 when I did re-watch as still being 5 for me.
Trying to think what I’m missing here.
Shawn/Taker at WM25? Hart/Austin at WM13?
Blanked on Hart/Austin – yes , definitely.
i’m a WM26>WM25 shawn/taker guy – neither hits it for me, but I certainly hold both very highly.
Venomous floating fire ants is a p good fantasy football team name
I’m finally now up to 2017 on my PTB catch up! And can I just say, the Christmas episode – outstanding! Had me roaring in laughter throughout
Glad you enjoyed it! That thing is a labor of love. Ben was awesome and KK is a gem for doing all that.
Did KK do all the impressions?
Yes every interlude was him, he was pretty impressive with them. I loved his Flair. “BIG MAN SCOTTTTT”
That’s brilliant, they were superb
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Has anyone watched the Mae Young Classic yet?
As folks do share feedback, please work to keep the result out of your posts so we can stay spoiler-free.
I wasn’t going to give anything away.
I knew you wouldn’t – just a public disclaimer. coincidentally had a similar conversation on Twitter around the same time.
So far i’ve heard the commentary stinks (even after all the redo’s), but the environment is good and it’s entertaining.
Fair enough. I will say I like what I saw so far in the first episode.
Lita already stumbling her words before the first match even starts. She and JR already awkward with each other.
Firing it up now!
NBA 2K18 wil feature Kobe Bryant & Kevin Garnett as special guest commentators on a rotating basis. Pretty cool.
Astros/Rangers series moved to Tropicana Field.
Minute Maid Field to the Trop. I see what they did there.
Talk about a fucking downgrade.
Looks like Mike Bennett is in rehab which explains why he’s not been on Smackdown lately.
Physical rehab?
Drug,sorry should have been more specific.
Oh wow that sucks.
He must have entered a program right after SummerSlam. When we were going up the escalator at Barclays, we saw him and Maria off to the side at what looked like a VIP meet and greet.
Hoping he pulls through.
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Painkillers
I think both he and WWE are doing a good thing in being very public about this – maybe it also helps someone else.
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Epic Piper’s Pit! Great to see Vlad get his MSG moment. Piper ignoring the classic MSG matches with Orndorff in ’85 is the only minor criticism. Otherwise it was a huge moment that sparked PWI to put Piper #1 over Hogan in the most popular rankings for that month.
Not sure if anybody knows the trick, but without spaces will block off spoiler tags like so:
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Men
John Cena vs Roman Reigns at No Mercy.
If WWE is under the impression that Cena is gone sooner rather than later, then I’m ok with it. Otherwise, I don’t understand why they wouldn’t wait until Mania.
Sooner meaning before Mania.
No I think he’ll be at 34.
Sounds like King is filling in for Booker.
Hurricane related absence for Booker
Pretty cool way to open the show.
Sweet! I was sure that jason jordan was winning that
Yeah nice surprise
I like enzo as a cruiserweight. More believable for him to beat them
Yeah it is a fine fit, get him away from Cass.
The last 30 seconds of the battle royal were good. The rest was like watching a 15 minute Royal Rumble dead spot.
Enzo vs. Dar, two guys who cannot fly or work at a fast-pace.
No Mercy could be a pretty stacked card
Definitely seems to be trending that way for sure. They are loading it up for LA.
Yeah, no way Corpus Christi is getting that for a No Mercy.
I’m a little behind, but crowd doesn’t seem to be as hot for Enzo as usual
That match was awful though.
Yeah but even his pre match promo.
He was booked as a complete shithead since the Cass turn. Give a reason for the fans not to care and they wont.
Will be interesting to see what kind of reaction Cena/Reigns gets from crowds other than Brooklyn. Will they boo both of them or mostly Reigns?
I think Cena gets cheered for sure.
That’s what I would expect. Actually, I’m curious if Joe gets added to the match now, or if he just fights them both leading up to the ppv.
Cena is like the grizzled old veteran now that’s earn everyone’s respect bc of his work ethic and longevity.
It’s a time for great celebration — Cesaro finally doesn’t have that stupid tape on his shoulder.
It cured him!
Rolling gut wrenches? Holy shit.
Cesaro was awesome in that match.
Emma’s new theme song is horrendous
The crowd does not seem to care about this.
To be fair, neither do I .
I’m glad that they are having the other women feud just besides the championship feud. They could do so much better though.
The booking is so bad with the RAW women.
She did it! Greatest win in WWE history
That Emma segment was truly awful. She has really shown nothing her entire time on the main roster.
Gotta feel like the Yanks had a chance to beat kluber tonight. Let the game get away late.
Shots fired by Cena
Been firing shots at Reigns the whole time.
My goodness this is bad.
Half-“shooting” Cena is the second-worst Cena. (The worst is dick-joke Cena.)
Wait, no, USA-USA Cena is in the running.
I think you have this ranked accurately. Dick joke Cena #1, goofball shooty Cena #2, but its close.
This is particularly awful shooty Cena too – belittling, corny, just awful.
I’m just glad he didn’t swing his foot around like the last time he walked out on Raw talking about heel turns.
Oh the US title stuff was shooty Punk pipebomb wannabe shooty. Yuck.
Cena’s promo work this year has been the best it’s ever been.
“They boo you because, first of all, you suck” – jfc with this garbage
I can’t believe they’re putting a huge match like this on a random PPV in September instead of WM or at least the Rumble. Very WCW.
They don’t need to put a top level match on the Rumble. The Rumble is the top level match.
My wife even said damn at Cena on the mic.
I guess if I had to play WWE advocate, they know Survivor Series weekend is sold out – it’s got NXT, then Raw , etc. Matches don’t matter.
So the other show is the LA PPV No Mercy. Try to pop more subs and sell out, make it a big show.
This segment once again proves Reigns is not a top guy. He shows nothing when he has to speak, even if the lines suck. The presence is not there.
Cena is great tonight
At first I was hoping for Joe vs Cena at no mercy. But damn now I want to see Roman vs Cena!
That match is gonna be great.
Yeah. Definitely weird timing, but doesn’t change the fact that this is gonna be great
This and Brock/Braun delivers, it could be in the conversation for greatest double main event in company history.
Cena completely outclassing Reigns here.
Twitter gushing over this segment.
Reigns haters were touching themselves
I don’t hate Reigns. He’s just put in a position where he cannot thrive. He’s not a top guy, he doesnt have the presence or promo ability of a top guy. They can go on a 4th straight WM Main Event with him and tell a redemption story here where he actually appears organic but the fans can see right through the office. The wrestling audience does not love Reigns the same way as Vince McMahon.
Right now we’re three years past when things really went bad for him:
-Injury post SummerSlam win vs. Orton
-Punk goes on Cabana’s podcast and buries him as VKM’s chosen one
-Daniel Bryan returns and they put him in the ’15 Rumble.
The promos they made him recite as he was rehabbing from injury were the killer. Talk about forced and inauthentic.
Yeah he had no business talking, should have just been all business.
Although I thought he was better vs. Brock.
I mean they tried to make him The Rock in like four months (including a rub by the actual Rock). Dire stuff.
The Fall of 2014 was when creative just destroyed Reigns as a guy the crowds would love.
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In what world is Stafford worth $135 million over 5 years??? Madness!
Hey that one time they almost won a playoff game
Did everyone enjoy that televised murder just now?
Lot of TV until 9/24 too – lot of wacky tagging , somewhat surprised they signed it so early (segment-wise). usually that is closer to the match.
Samson gets better every week
Needs to engage the crowd in his matches.
Weekly reminder that Heath was the leader of a faction including the current WWE Champion and NXT Champion
Interesting six man on 205 tomorrow night.
5 wrestlers and Enzo
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Vince Russo probably has the biggest boner tonight.
He will explode if Alexa’s brother comes out and reveals they are banging.
So we see Asuka tonight maybe?
I read she would debut on Raw in October.
I didn’t see anything, just a thought because they’re main eventing.
I read we might see Asuka by TLC in October.
I am not a huge Canadian Destroyer fan but that was quite a good one.
I have enjoyed this match, they have a decent chemistry.
Yes! They righted the wrong
Why even change the title at summerslam then?
Exactly. The storyline of the babyface always failing in their first title defense is not the one I would personally tell.
It would make sense if she was turning heel as a result of it (I went into this grand theory when Elliott and I did the show on Sasha/Charlotte HIAC) but as it is, they just don’t know what the fuck to do with her.
These title reigns are not going to do Sasha any favors in the long run.
Really damn good match. Alexa is great.
If there is ever a division you want to see get destroyed by one person, its the RAW Women’s Division. Just call up Asuka and have her take everyone out. Good match but they are just killing off their babyfaces.