Today at Place to Be Nation we’ll be chatting about the fallout from Battleground, the G1, and really whatever you’d like.
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Read at great point at PWO by friend of the site, Mad Dog, about the KO/Styles finish. Bad enough the ref couldn’t see anything to count, they played Owens’ music RIGHT after the three count, even though there was supposed to be “confusion”. Just awful embarrassing production work.
What about the fact that they played Jinder’s music for Khali instead of going back to Khali’s old theme?
Almost as idiotic as making Drew McIntyre a babyface NXT Title contender and replacing his old theme, one of the best they ever did IMHO.
Off night is a good way to put it. The Corbin/Nak match just didn’t work, neither guy came out looking good. AJ/KO was middle of the road, considering the talent involved. The ending didn’t bother me all that much, but it felt uninspired. I’m a big Jinder supporter and all, but this feud and this match is dragging the whole thing down. Move on…new feud for the title already. Hopefully Jinder has learned what he can working with Randy, but no one needs a Punjabi Prison Match up in here.
Lots of people who were at the show last night saying that they couldn’t see anything during the Punjabi Prison match. So, did they not show the match on the screens in the building?!?!
It looked to me like the countdown clock for the doors took up the whole titantron during that phase of the match. Even aside from that, you don’t go to the show to watch it on the screen, y’know?
Playing around on the Amazon Fire Stick, came across this app Pluto TV, it features a Pro Wrestling channel (most of the content being old TNA). British Boot camp is on right now, seeing a clean shaven, non Villain Marty Scurll is mind blowing
I would rank Battleground near the bottom of the PPV list this year along with Fast Lane. Some good stuff on it but not enough to leave a memorable impression overall.
So what are we looking at for Summerslam? I can say the 4 Way for the Universal Title will be announced tonight by Kurt Angle most likely. Cena vs Jindar for the WWE Title, the two Womens Titles on the line. Seth & Miz for the IC, not sure about the US at the moment though maybe a gimmick with AJ & Kevin Owens or throw in Nakamura for a 3 way. Also not sure about the RAW Tag Titles at the moment.
Yeah just read it. A mess indeed but the Sox have been a mess internally for a couple of a years now it seems. Yeah i know they won the World Series again recently but overall a mess still.
I’m interested in how an Orton-Khali match would work. That seems like a fun spectacle. Orton is the only 2007 main eventer who didn’t get a shot at the “How good a match can you drag Khali to on PPV” game.
I only watch ppvs now. (Missed last night’s) and have probably reached the height of my disinterest in the product.
Here’s what I would need:
ANYTHING other than the standard fight for 3 ppvs formula that has been around since about 05.
Storylines that have some coherant sense. Like if the number one face in the company tried to murder someone live on ppv for example I’d like there to be a sterner punishment than being placed in a number one contender’s match.For example.
I think you hit the nail on the head in that incredible rant-something, anything new.
EVERYTHING comes off as scripted, forced or old. Saw a great stat when reading recap of Battleground-Tye Dillinger has had like 6 TV matches and 4 of them were against Aiden English. So if you saw his first Smackdown appearance, you have essentially seen everything he has done.
I remember when Gallows and Anderson started they fought the Usos something like 10 times over 8 weeks. Why have a team of writers if that’s the result?
And to reply to my own comment the most important thing missing is the WHY. You can have guys wrestle repeatedly IF you justify it somehow. They’re WHY is always BECAUSE.
In defense of the announcers taking with their hands, that seems to be a sports announcer trope… if you watch a baseball or football game or whatever the announcers all act the same way. Has to be a standard convention in that business now I guess.
Then do it in a less contrived way. Get people on camera who are comfortoble with their gestures. I run a Shakespeare company with nowhere near their exposure or funds and I wouldn’t allow anyone that awkward on my stage.
I also pay my cast’s travel but that’s a different story…
Your last point is really good. At some point in the last 15 years they stopped remembering how to book wrestling and just became a week to week TV drama universe that caters to the dumbest possible audience and just finds ways to fill their contracted hours.
But even a week to week drama has things characters want. Listen to any promo from the 80’s. You’ll hear every guy talking about wanting to be champion. That was ONE guy producing those promos. When everyone has a goal everything seems more important.
I get they need to fill 12 to 45 PPVs per year but even from 95-2002 if there was a PPV rematch there was a reason. It was always something more thought out than “rematch clause” or “HHH and Batista did 3 so we have to.”
Well the comparison to the 80s is clear because like I said 12 years ago they shifted for whatever reason.
I guess should clarify that they went to their version of a TV drama.
Haha! Right. Like they think they’re Breaking Bad but don’t get why Walter is talking about cancer and feeling human emotions.
Right they just want the payoff with none of the leg work. No attention span or commitment. The success of NXT should be the proof for them… simple old school style writing.
That’s what’s always baffling to me. You’re dead on with NXT but also how can they fuck up building up babyfaces when they literally have HOURS of instructional evidence on their network.
What would you recommend for Money In The Bank? Im not sure what you can really change with that other it’s a contract to cash in for a Title shot anytime they want it.
Someone calling their shot for Mania and sticking to it.
Someone selling the briefcase to someone else.
Someone being made to defend the briefcase.
Someone giving the shot to someone else.
That’s 4 things with 2 seconds of thought. Imagine if I were paid to come up with ideas for a wrestling company.
EVERY year do we need tbe champion beat up and someone running down with a ref? You’re happy with the exact same story every year?
I think the MITB holders not defending the briefcase as if it were another title is a huge missed opportunity.
That would require them to book creatively. Which is something they have a hard time doing. They usually go from point a to point b in the simplest way possible.
The MITB Cash in at Mania is not a bad idea. Not sure i’d like the Briefcase being defended and passed around until someone cashes it in.
Dude I’m spitballing. Tgese were with two seconds of thought. You’d think the room full of writers who are paid to do this could come up with something better than “Just do what we did last year”
-Question 1: Easy access to their content and one or two familiar faces that can help invest me in talent that I’ve never seen before.
-Question 2: Maybe listen to a podcast (more a fan-based one, not a talent-based one) and find honest opinions. That could lead me to watch Raw or SD and then take the effort to get the thirty free days of the WWE Network. 30 days is a good stretch to decide if I actually would keep watching.
Ease of access is definitely a big one, especially today. WWE’s greatest strength is they are super easy to watch. Many other companies are getting there, but with so much at our disposal (including non-wrestling entertainment too), having to really look for something IS a turn off.
Torrent is a risky proposition and a dangerous practice to your computer.
Risky how? Dangerous how? Serious questions.
Most of the wrestling I watch at this point is determined by what the people I live with will get together to watch. Out of the four of us, we have a full crew to hang out for Raw/SD (the only reason I started watching them every week again), 3 for Lucha Underground, and 2 to 3 for Chikara/NXT/205. So I suppose it’d mainly take a drive from one of them to get into something new, and/or a more enthusiastic response when I occasionally put on a recommended match or show.
I just don’t have the time to commit right now… or the effort. Like anything you weren’t into growing up or during developmental commitment years it’s hard to become a dedicated fan of something net new.
Like I didn’t grow up a hardcore golf or college football fan and whenever I try to get into those things I find it hard to fully engage and commit the time. Same for having a fave NBA team… once the real Hornets died and I was in my late 20s, it’s hard to suddenly find that attachment.
I just don’t have the attachment to other wresting and without the time time to fully engage it won’t take.
That doesn’t mean I won’t watch it but it won’t become a must see thing in my life at this point. I rotate in and out of ROH, TNA, NJPW and LU time to time but can easily slip out.
For WWE I only watch PPVs and 205 regularly now. Raw is background noise while recording PTBP and SD I usually just side eye on my iPad while we watch tv at night.
I just prefer old stuff (both stuff I’ve seen and brand new stuff I’m discovering) overall and just catching things here and there for new footage (WWE and non) when I have time. Part of that is because of site projects but also I just enjoy spending my time that way more.
Time is the biggest factor for me as well, which is why I don’t watch much WWE. All of it is soooo long. I usually don’t come out of it thinking it was bad, just that it lasted forever.
Give me a reason to care other than throwing out Matches with dives and multiple kick outs to get fully invested. I tried watching Lucha Underground in the first two seasons and haven’t paid much attention to it in Season 3. I guess some of the hocus pocus in their non Wrestling segments is what turned me off to it. To me i think some of the shine is now off of LU.
The only non WWE stuff i watch on a weekly basis is ROH. I just don’t care for the New Japan style though i did watch the G1 USA special but it was more to hear Jim Ross and see some familiar faces i know. At the same time it’s not enough to keep watching New Japan every week.
The other stuff i just read up on if there’s something interesting and don’t have much access to. Im ok with watching RAW/Smackdown/NXT/ROH every week, that’s usually enough for me.
I guess that’s what I am wondering. What do you mean by the style they do?
Realistic hard hitting wrestling?
Imagine hating New Japan style but loving Shinsuke Nakamura.
But is New Japan “STRONG”?
Well in fairness he was completely different in Japan. Motivated and in there with guys his caliber.
This first segment is exactly Aaron’s point. Now after this Roman Reigns will come out and Kurt books the Four-Way. In Aaron’s world, Joe got his one match and he should be out of the picture. So he shouldn’t even should be in this segment or the discussion.
But WWE just decides to fast track to what everyone probably wants.
Or if you are going to keep Joe there find a creative reason. Work something into the previous match tbat Joe can cite, or have him goad him into another match. Or have…. the possibilities are literally endless.
Exactly. Just to go out there and bluster with no logic whatsoever is somewhat insulting. Then again, if the whole point of this is to lead to Roman/Brock at Wrestlemania, then why are we to give two shits about the steps leading to it?
Also, Michael Cole couldn’t even bother to specify which shoulder Finn Balor had the surgery on and Corey Graves had to correct him AGAIN.
The announcer’s job is to sell you on the NEXT show, not to talk about the current show you’re watching.
GET THIS TUESDAY IN TEXAS!
As long as we’re talking about character motivations and decades-old tropes…why do Goldust and Bo Dallas want to stop this brawl?
Because WWE thinks it visually looks cool to have 500000 guys in the ring at the same time. Whether there’s a reason to be out there or not isn’t supposed to mean anything. It just looks cool
Now the back and forth Booker & Corey had about Finn Balor’s shoulder tape could have been a fun debate, but they just let it go. Corey said Finn is a competitor, but Booker should have said “I didn’t say he wasn’t, I said he’s stupid for wearing tape and showing he has a bad shoulder.” But they just let the conversation fade away.
My kids are watching The WWE Flintstones. The term SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT doesn’t fit into any conceivable sentence but is shoehorned in every three minutes.
I dunno, John Cena and the Undertaker are lecturing Fred about the benefits of friendship. What’s Fiona doing? Taking off her top and endangering minors?
Haha! My guys love it so much. My oldest is moving away but the little one keeps pulling him back. I don’t mind. It’s better than the Modern Ninja Turtles stuff he likes.
Does anyone have any info on this guy in the front row with the neon green shirt?
He’s a bigger superfan than Vlad and sits in the same seat at every show with the same shirt, hat, and douchy goatee.
I’ve noticed him on camera pretty much every single RAW, SD, and PPV since WM.
Got to be hardcore dedicated (and rich) to get the hard camera front row seat at arenas all over the country.
I met him years ago at an MSG show – when I was 15. He’s a cool guy. Got my pic with him. Saw him again about a year later at a show in Poughkeepsie. He remembered me from the Garden. Over the years I’ve heard that he has a hook up through Ticketmaster that secures his tix.
He is, and they are a tremendous heel team, They should never turn babyface. They are just too damn good at being assholes. It’s like a babyface Arn, Eh. Makes that 1994 heel turn on Dustin so awesome.
Read at great point at PWO by friend of the site, Mad Dog, about the KO/Styles finish. Bad enough the ref couldn’t see anything to count, they played Owens’ music RIGHT after the three count, even though there was supposed to be “confusion”. Just awful embarrassing production work.
It was terrible, maybe AJ’s worst WWE match so far.
I’m with you. I can’t think of a worse AJ match in WWE.
What about the fact that they played Jinder’s music for Khali instead of going back to Khali’s old theme?
Almost as idiotic as making Drew McIntyre a babyface NXT Title contender and replacing his old theme, one of the best they ever did IMHO.
It felt like an off night for everybody last night minus The Uso’s and New Day.
Off night is a good way to put it. The Corbin/Nak match just didn’t work, neither guy came out looking good. AJ/KO was middle of the road, considering the talent involved. The ending didn’t bother me all that much, but it felt uninspired. I’m a big Jinder supporter and all, but this feud and this match is dragging the whole thing down. Move on…new feud for the title already. Hopefully Jinder has learned what he can working with Randy, but no one needs a Punjabi Prison Match up in here.
It was a bad show. Dumb finishes and poor match stipulations.
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/889480521566355456
Lebron is such a wonderful human being.
GNR at the Apollo replay is on SXM Ch. 41 right now.
Hot off the podcast presses, the Battleground reaction show is up RIGHTNOW on the PTB Wrestling feed and embedded up above, so check it out!
http://www.pwmania.com/backstage-news-on-why-the-great-khali-was-brought-back-more-on-jinder-mahals-push
Gotta think the Hindi announcers were fed lines like that on the headsets
Lots of people who were at the show last night saying that they couldn’t see anything during the Punjabi Prison match. So, did they not show the match on the screens in the building?!?!
It looked to me like the countdown clock for the doors took up the whole titantron during that phase of the match. Even aside from that, you don’t go to the show to watch it on the screen, y’know?
A solid “Trust the Process” chant broke out during that mess, so kudos 76ers fans for going to the show.
Maybe it was reference to Jinder as a main eventer.
Busy weekend with work so didn’t catch Battleground last night.
And apparently judging by the reactions to the show, I shouldn’t bother.
Watch the Tag Title match, skip the rest.
Ouch. Even AJ/KO stunk?
Yes, they have subpar chemistry with each other
The words AJ Styles and bad match usually don’t belong in the same sentence. Last night they did.
Playing around on the Amazon Fire Stick, came across this app Pluto TV, it features a Pro Wrestling channel (most of the content being old TNA). British Boot camp is on right now, seeing a clean shaven, non Villain Marty Scurll is mind blowing
Party Marty!
Yeah, it’s a good thing he came up with the Villain gimmick cause Party Marty wouldn’t have got him very far
I didn’t realize he was on that.
The episode I saw, it was down to Marty, Spud, and 2 women named the Blossom twins
For some reason i remember that.
Yeah we have talked about that before. Comet Tv is another TV app that shows ROH.
I would rank Battleground near the bottom of the PPV list this year along with Fast Lane. Some good stuff on it but not enough to leave a memorable impression overall.
I think its the weakest of the PPVs since WrestleMania. Only Backlash challenges it. RAW PPVs have definitely been a lot stronger.
RAW definitely won this month with Great Balls Of Fire.
So what are we looking at for Summerslam? I can say the 4 Way for the Universal Title will be announced tonight by Kurt Angle most likely. Cena vs Jindar for the WWE Title, the two Womens Titles on the line. Seth & Miz for the IC, not sure about the US at the moment though maybe a gimmick with AJ & Kevin Owens or throw in Nakamura for a 3 way. Also not sure about the RAW Tag Titles at the moment.
They want to get as much talent on the show as possible. Sheamus/Cesaro vs Hardy’s vs Revival,
Alexa and Nia will have a fallout. There’s your title match. Then how about the Four Horsewomen exploding. Sasha and Bayley vs Charlotte and Becky.
I think Sasha & Bayley have a Match tonight with the winner meeting Alexa. Not a bad 3 way for the RAW Tag Belts,
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/details-david-price-dennis-eckersley-confrontation-emerge-article-1.3349897
What a mess. And of course the Red Sox are hidng under their desks instead of handling this.
Eck should of punched him in the mouth.
I get David Price’s point, but at the same time Eck is an analyst and it’s his job to criticize and call out poor performance .
David Price is better off in a market where nobody cares. Like Kenny Rogers.
He is making Carl Crawford look thick-skinned
Price is quickly becoming one of my least favorite players in Sox history. What a putz.
What’s the story with all that? Ive seen some of it but don’t get why Eck is all over Price.
The link is right above there. Check it out
Yeah just read it. A mess indeed but the Sox have been a mess internally for a couple of a years now it seems. Yeah i know they won the World Series again recently but overall a mess still.
Here’s the Globe story if anyone’s interested:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/07/23/shaughnessy/LFEh4ADdxNLjW2B7UWEVrJ/story.html
Just finished Battleground. Pretty much a snoozer. Nothing outwardly bad, but just a nothing happening show. Tag Title match was good though.
Since Kofi & Xavier won the tag belts, do they leave them as the tag champs and test a Big E singles push?
I think thats a solid theory . Big E being a contender on Raw, for Braun or those other guys. Maybe a trade
Or even if they test him as singles on SD
They could, maybe as a new contender for Owens.
I wouldn’t split New Day up, I think this would be a cool way of having them do something different, Big E/ KO could be fun
I think that’s a solid idea. He’d be a good one off challenger for one of the SD PPVs in the fall.
Kershaw out 4-6 weeks
I caught most of the Game yesterday but i didn’t see the injury.
He threw a pitch and just looked uncomfortable. probably a tightness tweak.
Sounds like it. 4 to 6 isn’t too bad. He might be back sooner than later.
Never could get stretched out, sore back, worsened.
I’m interested in how an Orton-Khali match would work. That seems like a fun spectacle. Orton is the only 2007 main eventer who didn’t get a shot at the “How good a match can you drag Khali to on PPV” game.
It would have been *1/2 stars back then, so just imagine how it would be with Khali’s knees 10 years older.
A more detailed story of the Price/Eckersley situation
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/07/23/shaughnessy/LFEh4ADdxNLjW2B7UWEVrJ/story.html
Here’s a discussion question:
-What would it take to get you as a wrestling fan to actively watch and follow a non-WWE company?
-Similarly, if you are currently not a WWE viewer, what would it take to get you back to active watching status?
I only watch ppvs now. (Missed last night’s) and have probably reached the height of my disinterest in the product.
Here’s what I would need:
ANYTHING other than the standard fight for 3 ppvs formula that has been around since about 05.
Storylines that have some coherant sense. Like if the number one face in the company tried to murder someone live on ppv for example I’d like there to be a sterner punishment than being placed in a number one contender’s match.For example.
I can live with a 3
Also a very giod to great show every PPV. There is no excuse for a company with that much talent and that many resources to produce anything less.
I think you hit the nail on the head in that incredible rant-something, anything new.
EVERYTHING comes off as scripted, forced or old. Saw a great stat when reading recap of Battleground-Tye Dillinger has had like 6 TV matches and 4 of them were against Aiden English. So if you saw his first Smackdown appearance, you have essentially seen everything he has done.
I remember when Gallows and Anderson started they fought the Usos something like 10 times over 8 weeks. Why have a team of writers if that’s the result?
And to reply to my own comment the most important thing missing is the WHY. You can have guys wrestle repeatedly IF you justify it somehow. They’re WHY is always BECAUSE.
In defense of the announcers taking with their hands, that seems to be a sports announcer trope… if you watch a baseball or football game or whatever the announcers all act the same way. Has to be a standard convention in that business now I guess.
Then do it in a less contrived way. Get people on camera who are comfortoble with their gestures. I run a Shakespeare company with nowhere near their exposure or funds and I wouldn’t allow anyone that awkward on my stage.
I also pay my cast’s travel but that’s a different story…
Your last point is really good. At some point in the last 15 years they stopped remembering how to book wrestling and just became a week to week TV drama universe that caters to the dumbest possible audience and just finds ways to fill their contracted hours.
But even a week to week drama has things characters want. Listen to any promo from the 80’s. You’ll hear every guy talking about wanting to be champion. That was ONE guy producing those promos. When everyone has a goal everything seems more important.
I get they need to fill 12 to 45 PPVs per year but even from 95-2002 if there was a PPV rematch there was a reason. It was always something more thought out than “rematch clause” or “HHH and Batista did 3 so we have to.”
Well the comparison to the 80s is clear because like I said 12 years ago they shifted for whatever reason.
I guess should clarify that they went to their version of a TV drama.
Haha! Right. Like they think they’re Breaking Bad but don’t get why Walter is talking about cancer and feeling human emotions.
Right they just want the payoff with none of the leg work. No attention span or commitment. The success of NXT should be the proof for them… simple old school style writing.
That’s what’s always baffling to me. You’re dead on with NXT but also how can they fuck up building up babyfaces when they literally have HOURS of instructional evidence on their network.
What would you recommend for Money In The Bank? Im not sure what you can really change with that other it’s a contract to cash in for a Title shot anytime they want it.
Someone calling their shot for Mania and sticking to it.
Someone selling the briefcase to someone else.
Someone being made to defend the briefcase.
Someone giving the shot to someone else.
That’s 4 things with 2 seconds of thought. Imagine if I were paid to come up with ideas for a wrestling company.
EVERY year do we need tbe champion beat up and someone running down with a ref? You’re happy with the exact same story every year?
I think the MITB holders not defending the briefcase as if it were another title is a huge missed opportunity.
That would require them to book creatively. Which is something they have a hard time doing. They usually go from point a to point b in the simplest way possible.
The MITB Cash in at Mania is not a bad idea. Not sure i’d like the Briefcase being defended and passed around until someone cashes it in.
Dude I’m spitballing. Tgese were with two seconds of thought. You’d think the room full of writers who are paid to do this could come up with something better than “Just do what we did last year”
-Question 1: Easy access to their content and one or two familiar faces that can help invest me in talent that I’ve never seen before.
-Question 2: Maybe listen to a podcast (more a fan-based one, not a talent-based one) and find honest opinions. That could lead me to watch Raw or SD and then take the effort to get the thirty free days of the WWE Network. 30 days is a good stretch to decide if I actually would keep watching.
Ease of access is definitely a big one, especially today. WWE’s greatest strength is they are super easy to watch. Many other companies are getting there, but with so much at our disposal (including non-wrestling entertainment too), having to really look for something IS a turn off.
You can torrent literally anything if you’re so inclined.
You realize who you are talking to right?
I think.so… but I may be missing something…
Torrent is a risky proposition and a dangerous practice to your computer.
Risky how? Dangerous how? Serious questions.
Most of the wrestling I watch at this point is determined by what the people I live with will get together to watch. Out of the four of us, we have a full crew to hang out for Raw/SD (the only reason I started watching them every week again), 3 for Lucha Underground, and 2 to 3 for Chikara/NXT/205. So I suppose it’d mainly take a drive from one of them to get into something new, and/or a more enthusiastic response when I occasionally put on a recommended match or show.
I just don’t have the time to commit right now… or the effort. Like anything you weren’t into growing up or during developmental commitment years it’s hard to become a dedicated fan of something net new.
Like I didn’t grow up a hardcore golf or college football fan and whenever I try to get into those things I find it hard to fully engage and commit the time. Same for having a fave NBA team… once the real Hornets died and I was in my late 20s, it’s hard to suddenly find that attachment.
I just don’t have the attachment to other wresting and without the time time to fully engage it won’t take.
That doesn’t mean I won’t watch it but it won’t become a must see thing in my life at this point. I rotate in and out of ROH, TNA, NJPW and LU time to time but can easily slip out.
For WWE I only watch PPVs and 205 regularly now. Raw is background noise while recording PTBP and SD I usually just side eye on my iPad while we watch tv at night.
I just prefer old stuff (both stuff I’ve seen and brand new stuff I’m discovering) overall and just catching things here and there for new footage (WWE and non) when I have time. Part of that is because of site projects but also I just enjoy spending my time that way more.
Time is the biggest factor for me as well, which is why I don’t watch much WWE. All of it is soooo long. I usually don’t come out of it thinking it was bad, just that it lasted forever.
I’ll make time if I’m enjoying something though. I’m loving watching 70s/80s MSG shows for research for the GWWE 100.
I kinda stopped watching Smackdown this month as I think its a poor show at the moment. RAW is better.
I prefer the current Indy & Int’l scene and older stuff.
Give me a reason to care other than throwing out Matches with dives and multiple kick outs to get fully invested. I tried watching Lucha Underground in the first two seasons and haven’t paid much attention to it in Season 3. I guess some of the hocus pocus in their non Wrestling segments is what turned me off to it. To me i think some of the shine is now off of LU.
The only non WWE stuff i watch on a weekly basis is ROH. I just don’t care for the New Japan style though i did watch the G1 USA special but it was more to hear Jim Ross and see some familiar faces i know. At the same time it’s not enough to keep watching New Japan every week.
The other stuff i just read up on if there’s something interesting and don’t have much access to. Im ok with watching RAW/Smackdown/NXT/ROH every week, that’s usually enough for me.
Honest question: what reason does WWE give you to care outside of matches with dives and kick outs?
Like, why would a random fan care about the AJ Styles character, or Roman Reigns? What are their motivations?
Also, what is the New Japan “style” you don’t care for?
I just don’t care for the style they do.
Which is?
I guess that’s what I am wondering. What do you mean by the style they do?
Realistic hard hitting wrestling?
Imagine hating New Japan style but loving Shinsuke Nakamura.
But is New Japan “STRONG”?
Well in fairness he was completely different in Japan. Motivated and in there with guys his caliber.
This first segment is exactly Aaron’s point. Now after this Roman Reigns will come out and Kurt books the Four-Way. In Aaron’s world, Joe got his one match and he should be out of the picture. So he shouldn’t even should be in this segment or the discussion.
But WWE just decides to fast track to what everyone probably wants.
The second Roman came out, I could have told you that this was how they announce the fatal four way. No creativity.
Roman Reigns should be punished for almost killing Braun.
EXACTLY. It wasn’t even during a match. It was after. And tge authorities were there. Austin was arrested for less.
Or if you are going to keep Joe there find a creative reason. Work something into the previous match tbat Joe can cite, or have him goad him into another match. Or have…. the possibilities are literally endless.
Exactly. Just to go out there and bluster with no logic whatsoever is somewhat insulting. Then again, if the whole point of this is to lead to Roman/Brock at Wrestlemania, then why are we to give two shits about the steps leading to it?
Also, Michael Cole couldn’t even bother to specify which shoulder Finn Balor had the surgery on and Corey Graves had to correct him AGAIN.
The announcer’s job is to sell you on the NEXT show, not to talk about the current show you’re watching.
GET THIS TUESDAY IN TEXAS!
As long as we’re talking about character motivations and decades-old tropes…why do Goldust and Bo Dallas want to stop this brawl?
In the old days I always assumed Jack Tunney was sending guys out.
Because WWE thinks it visually looks cool to have 500000 guys in the ring at the same time. Whether there’s a reason to be out there or not isn’t supposed to mean anything. It just looks cool
I bet that’s on a plaque in the writer’s room/closet.
Yah or just that each side had some friends and didn’t want to see them get hurt or fined.
Because Dallas bo-lieved he could!
Now the back and forth Booker & Corey had about Finn Balor’s shoulder tape could have been a fun debate, but they just let it go. Corey said Finn is a competitor, but Booker should have said “I didn’t say he wasn’t, I said he’s stupid for wearing tape and showing he has a bad shoulder.” But they just let the conversation fade away.
I hate to correct you but Booker said ” I didn’t say he wasn’t, I said he’s stupid for wearing tape and showing he has a bad shoulder TONIGHT.”
Also I’m not watching the show but I’m SURE that’s what he said.
I HEART YOU KING!!!!
This is quite tame for a No DQ match
My kids are watching The WWE Flintstones. The term SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT doesn’t fit into any conceivable sentence but is shoehorned in every three minutes.
CM PunkROCK just claimed that Nikki and Brie are always up for fun!
No wonder Punk left, he doesn’t event get the main event in this bullshit. Fights Barney not Fred.
SPOILER ALERT
He jobbed to Barney.
I’m watching Shameless… much more enjoyable.
I dunno, John Cena and the Undertaker are lecturing Fred about the benefits of friendship. What’s Fiona doing? Taking off her top and endangering minors?
Ha I meant more enjoyable than WWE. Fiona is headed to the clink.
Shit you’re ahead of me. Don’t spoil or I’ll spew the results of the CM PunkRock Rey Mysterio match from Bedrock.
Welp!
Fuck it. #CENAWINSLOL
According to this it took Vince McMagma 65 million years to build the WWE after stealing the idea from Fred.
Boring match with a predictable ending
I dunno, John Cena is lecturing Fred about morality. What’s Fiona doing? Endangering minors?
We still care about Machine Gun Kelly?
I thought Kevin Owens killed him.
Right? Along with Renee Young? Oh wait that was just her dignity.
Dude she’s dating Dean Ambrose… how much could she have had?
Oh yeah, good point.
And Jason Jordan wishes he could get Emma.
First hour of RAW was nothing special at all.
And Hour 2 is starting about as great as all of Hour 1.
It failed to ignite my engine
Late night PAW PATROL. More coherent than RAW? Discuss!
Rare Zuma and Skye team up.
Of course dickhead Ryder is tagging along.
Guys. Wally the Walrus is lost. Capn’ Turbot is upset.
Uh oh… Wally been shacking up with WALINDA.
WALINDA is PREGNANT!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!
What???
Wally’s going to be a dad!
Guys WAlinda is stuck on a flotation device.
Phew! The got her free.
NOW THEY”RE FEEDING THE WALRUSES AND THEIR CHILD PUP COOKIES!!!
Now the Captain is eating dog cookies.
Second story. The Captain and a mime are digging dinosaur bones.
No wonder Ryder runs this town all the adults are stupid as shit.
“When I’m extinct… Ryder gives me a bath!” HAHAHAHAHA! Get this guywriting lines for Reigns!
Rocky’s totally being buried in this episode. Guy has all the tools but doesn’t get the push.
“What this road needs is a little TLR. tender Loving Rubble.” Jesus Christ guys. Replace Rubble with Reigns and that line is a winner.
They’re bringing in the third pup for this one. Skye. Roman should date her. Get over big with the kids.
Rubble: (Talking about a big bone) “Boy I’d like to chew on that!” (Stomach rumbles, they laugh.)
That feels like a Big Dog line. Believe THAT!
RUBBLE REIGNS is a license to print money!
bark bark
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bark bark bark bark bark bark.
Show’s over!
It had a beginning, middle and end.
I’m way out of the loop on PP… Alex checked out a few months ago and is slowly starting to get back into it now.
I kind of think he listened to the podcast and realized what he was doing to me.
Haha! My guys love it so much. My oldest is moving away but the little one keeps pulling him back. I don’t mind. It’s better than the Modern Ninja Turtles stuff he likes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW8rhqJAWqJ/
He could cut up coke on those abs
Hey Yo,
Best segment of the show so far. This is what Big Show is needed for now.
Raw has been good so far. That opening brawl was excellent.
The first hour was crap. Utter crap. This hour has been a little bit better.
The first hour nearly put me out. And so is hour two
Was the Finn Balor and Elias Sampson Match that bad?
Felt tame for a No DQ match. Wouldnt call it bad per se but it was underwhelming.
I disagree but what do I know..
You guys that don’t watch 205 Live should, quick fun hour and always has a good match.
Especially now since the Dar & Fox bullshit appears over.
I agree, rarely a bad match and you can tell in the between match segments they’re trying very hard to get what little tv time they have over.
If you like that, you should watch NXT.
Usually the best weekly show they put out.
I think they missed the boat by not having Elias Samson become Damien Sandow’s stunt double.
Jordan is really struggling here on the mic
I’ll try to get better.
Loading up A Bob Backlund title defense against Killer Khan!
Does anyone have any info on this guy in the front row with the neon green shirt?
He’s a bigger superfan than Vlad and sits in the same seat at every show with the same shirt, hat, and douchy goatee.
I’ve noticed him on camera pretty much every single RAW, SD, and PPV since WM.
Got to be hardcore dedicated (and rich) to get the hard camera front row seat at arenas all over the country.
I see him alot too. No idea who he is though.
Always has his phone on him too and looks to be alone.
Might be that klunderbunker guy.
Or he’s a plant paid by the company.
I met him years ago at an MSG show – when I was 15. He’s a cool guy. Got my pic with him. Saw him again about a year later at a show in Poughkeepsie. He remembered me from the Garden. Over the years I’ve heard that he has a hook up through Ticketmaster that secures his tix.
He knows a guy who knows a guy…
Derrick Rose is officially a Cav. What a time we live in.
Good match. Weird finish.
Good match, great finish,. Pure luck, so it keeps both strong. Now we need BAYLEY to turn heel, instead of the predictable Sasha turning heel.
The execution was off. The frog splash was hit then Bayley kicked out at two then just rolled over Bayley for the win.
It was? I thought it was timed perfectly. Frog splash, 2 count, roll up. I’m not sure what was missing there.
It would be fun to see it, but the WWE puts marketing before storylines. It would crush their next generation fanbase.
Please can we get out of this without anyone turning heel. Please please please.
I think Sasha costs Bayley at summerslam.
I’m perfectly ok with that.
Can we have Bayley just punch her instead of standing there like a dope.
Bayley looking like a moron is company policy.
I like these Special Olympics segments, particularly with Dana Warrior doing the pieces. I’m glad that they use her to be a real ambassador.
Good Match with Bayley and Sasha.
Very good match. Not sure I’d look forward to another Bayley-Bliss match, but hey.
Just keep the Kendo Sticks away.
That i’ll agree with.
Do we think Jason Jordan uses the Anklelock as a finisher?
Hope not.
They didn’t, although that neckbreaker was pretty sloppy.
Yeah, that didn’t really feel like a finisher. There’s room to improve there.
Glad they’re having Jordan built up a bit against guys like hawkins. Not throwing him in the deep end right away.
I agree, I can see him being a good midcard face. Maybe being the one who takes the ic title from the Miz.
Good call scott
That was awesome.
Jordan showed great fire but that finisher should probably go
Great 205 Tag match tomorrow night!
Yeah, that should be awesome.
Gallows and Anderson just turn babyface?
I believe so. That may actually work if you ask me.
I agree. The good brother thing can catch on. And raw needs babyface tag teams too.
And turning babyface means that Balor can pseudo hang with them, and perhaps with the three of them and AJ as faces…perhaps…a Survivor Series team?
I would enjoy that a lot haha. If they are all faces now I want at the very least a backstage segment at summerslam.
I was just sitting here trying to sort that out.
These two wrestled on Main Event with Gallows & Anderson as faces
Dawson really is a great worker.
He is, and they are a tremendous heel team, They should never turn babyface. They are just too damn good at being assholes. It’s like a babyface Arn, Eh. Makes that 1994 heel turn on Dustin so awesome.
Tell Joey that dammit!
Why the hell is Jeff Hardy wearing CROCS?
Maybe he was gardening before getting to the arena.
He, there’s something in that comment somewhere.
This Table for 3…makes no sense. What do those three people have in common?
Another Sharknado?
#5!
Is Bo dead? My god.
Jesus Christ that looked vicious.
Solid main event.
Overall, not much of a show.
The second two hours were decent, after that garbage first hour.
So they are acknowledging this is from Mania weekend
Sick bump by Bo during the Main Event. Ill be amazed if he doesn’t have a concussion after that by tomorrow.
In honor of Jinder Mahal, I watched the movie “Lion” tonight. It was pretty great. Got a little dusty at the end!
And then you got up and said All Praise The Modern Day Maharajah.
I do that every night anyway.
I’m. not sure if I’ll be able to watch movie.
It is heartbreaking and exhilarating at once.